Did you actually just say that I am buying too heavily into Peter's metaphor? Are you listening to yourself? This is all YOUR OPINION. You have yet to PROVE anything. Do you see a point in us continuing this?
I understand. It is kind of what I believe, and I didn't take that wrong. I appreciate you qualifying not to take it wrong. Thank you. I don't want you to take anything that I say wrong either. I think we are coming from two very different beliefs my friend. I believe that a man has to hear the word as it says in Romans 10:17 before they can believe and John 6:44-45 says this is how God calls us. I don't believe that God zaps us with it (though I do believe He is all powerful and can do as He wishes). I don't believe that he teaches us that he will zap us when he chooses. But I do believe that through His providence that if one is seeking God he will find Him. I don't know that we are going to come to a resolution on this. I stand firm in what I believe. I have reasons and I have eplained them. I do feel that you are far more versed on mens theologies than I am and I will admit that. I should have asked what you believe before I asserted it. Thank you for discussing this with me. I still hold firm that the Bible speaks of different works and that the works it speaks of in Ephesians 2 is meritorious works, or works of the old law. I just don't see how we come into contact with the blood of Christ other than water baptism. When they pierced His side blood and water came out, do you not see a coorelation in that?
I must add, you need to read Hebrews chapter 6, it is PLAINLY possible for people to fall away.... The Bible plainly teaches time after time, that there is something required of man. God has done his part by offering the perfect sacrifice. You're teaching that we have no free will....
"1Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to (C)maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
2of instruction about washings and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment.
3And this we will do, if God permits.
4For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.
7For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God;
8but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned."
How do you get around that?