tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post3609922708378168947..comments2023-10-25T14:20:11.408-05:00Comments on RHOBLOGY: Blood on their hands, or The Law of Unintended ConsequencesRhologyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-68746565111200461552010-10-26T14:42:01.810-05:002010-10-26T14:42:01.810-05:00...and here's more about the blood on our hand......and <a href="http://orthodox-apologetics.blogspot.com/2010/10/orthodox-christianity-delivering-its.html" rel="nofollow">here's</a> more about the blood on our hands...The Blogger Formerly Known As Lvkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09663692507774640889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-31639494851875021782010-10-23T10:53:17.825-05:002010-10-23T10:53:17.825-05:00V. claimed, among others, that Indians are iconocl...V. claimed, among others, that Indians are iconoclasts: it wasn't a completely false statement, but it was a half-truth (which seems to be a perpetual problem for Protestantism: a little knowledge is a dangerous thing). <br /><br />I corrected his mistake, telling him that indeed they don't have icons, but that they are not iconoclast either. I also provided him with a link to an interview with an Indian Oriental Orthodox Christian, so that he wouldn't just simply take my word for it. (Later, of course, my comment was deleted) -- So, there's your fact.Luciannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-59776482257567273722010-10-23T07:30:07.878-05:002010-10-23T07:30:07.878-05:00Please be so kind as to name one single fact that ...Please be so kind as to name one single fact that you communicated in the deleted comments.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-45309202882228258592010-10-22T22:17:51.149-05:002010-10-22T22:17:51.149-05:00Rho,
I'm not black, I don't live in Ame...Rho, <br /><br /><br />I'm not black, I don't live in America, and I certainly don't like rap: so gaining and earning (quote/unquote) "respect" isn't exactly one of my top priorities.. I've got no such mental obsessions [heck, not even American blacks have them: it's just a pathetic cliche used & abused by the media].<br /><br /><br />..Nor does it play any importance how smart or stupid I am: when I say something, and offer proof for it, and the only way the opponent knows how to deal with my <i>mere factual observations</i> is by simply deleting my comments, using the head-in-the-sand ostrich-method, I think this, by itself, speaks volumes..Luciannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-84353779669774313932010-10-22T07:32:42.289-05:002010-10-22T07:32:42.289-05:00Lucian,
"This post has been deleted by a blo...Lucian,<br /><br />"This post has been deleted by a blog administrator" contains more substance than most comments you post. You apparently think you're very clever, but let me assure you that you are in reality a buffoon. You're the reason I don't bother reading the Orthodox Apologetics blog; the others I have some measure of respect for.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-41084365247801366622010-10-21T19:01:36.506-05:002010-10-21T19:01:36.506-05:00Hi, Rho!
Thought this might interest you...Hi, Rho! <br /><br />Thought <a href="http://orthodox-apologetics.blogspot.com/2010/10/protestant-orthodox-dialogue.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> might interest you...Luciannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-75169443195320927492010-10-18T02:33:29.743-05:002010-10-18T02:33:29.743-05:00Blood on their hands
Yeah... about that...<i><b>Blood on their hands</b></i><br /><br /><br />Yeah... <a href="http://orthodox-apologetics.blogspot.com/2010/10/orthodox-christianity-making-terrorist.html" rel="nofollow">about that</a>...Luciannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-86297080676846225422010-10-16T02:36:20.886-05:002010-10-16T02:36:20.886-05:00I cannot tell whether I am being unclear or the tw...<i>I cannot tell whether I am being unclear or the two of you are being obtuse.</i><br /><br />It's neither of those. It's that you don't realise that what you perceive to be a killer argument is nothing of the sort, and that you're in denial about the fact that yours is exactly the sort of rhetoric that drove Zach Harrington to kill himself.Paul Cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-12044078101771855142010-10-15T23:25:16.532-05:002010-10-15T23:25:16.532-05:00David and Paul,
I cannot tell whether I am being u...David and Paul,<br />I cannot tell whether I am being unclear or the two of you are being obtuse. In the interest of full disclosure I have to say I lean toward the latter. In any case I don't really want to go in circles with the two of you so I am going to remove myself from the remainder of this thread. Maybe we can argue about something else later on. I was thinking of blogging something on my own excuse for a blog dealing with David's comment:<br />"Ah, yes, so now we move on to the "I have the one truly true truth, and you don't" part of the program."<br />If I post anything on it I will let you guys know.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15056210915546208869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-54742095433275607772010-10-15T23:23:10.166-05:002010-10-15T23:23:10.166-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15056210915546208869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-80218395660715702152010-10-15T11:46:36.364-05:002010-10-15T11:46:36.364-05:00"Here's an idea - how about you just keep..."Here's an idea - how about you just keep it to yourself, whether gay or straight?"<br /><br />Homosexual people I know aren't looking for the right to announce to the world their sex lives. They are looking for healthcare for their sig. other. They are looking for sharing retirement benefits and social security. They are looking for the legal right to adopt the same children that they are raising together. They are looking for the right to file their taxes jointly. And they would really just like to be known as a regular person and not told that they are evil on a regular basis.marhabannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-58371722344481736542010-10-15T09:12:17.133-05:002010-10-15T09:12:17.133-05:00What if Christians started committing suicide afte...<i>What if Christians started committing suicide after the CC in question approved this homosexual history month? What if it was because it made them feel bad about who they were? Would that line of argument work the other way? Why or why not?</i><br /><br />That's not the line of argument. What you mean is, what if young Christians started committing suicide because of being abused daily, of being told that they don't belong in society, of everything around them screaming that they are perverts, a sickness that needs to be cured? If that was the case, the same argument would hold and I'd support the city council bringing it up as a situation that needs to be addressed.<br /><br /><i>I just can't imagine pretending that Mr. Harrington's lifestyle was acceptable in order to preserve his self-esteem.</i><br /><br />It's not his lifestyle, it's his sexual orientation; and your lack of imagination is not a good reason to drive somebody to suicide.<br /><br /><i>You also have to remember that I am a Christian.</i><br /><br />You'll have to keep reminding me, I'm afraid, because you certainly don't talk like one.<br /><br /><i>So I replaced PFHM with paedophilia because some paedophiles have been killed for paedophilia. I did this in order to apply the thinking in your counter argument to your counter argument. It's simple. Either your reasoning is valid or it isn't.</i><br /><br />Since they don't want to raise awareness about LGBT just because some people got killed, your counter argument makes no sense at all. It also makes no sense at all period, but that's a whole other story.Paul Cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-31476189413613278582010-10-15T09:08:28.074-05:002010-10-15T09:08:28.074-05:00What if Christians started committing suicide afte...<i>What if Christians started committing suicide after the CC in question approved this homosexual history month? What if it was because it made them feel bad about who they were? Would that line of argument work the other way? Why or why not?</i><br /><br />That's not the line of argument. What you mean is, what if young Christians started committing suicide because of being abused daily, of being told that they don't belong in society, of everything around them screaming that they are perverts, a sickness that needs to be cured? If that was the case, the same argument would hold and I'd support the city council bringing it up as a situation that needs to be addressed.<br /><br /><i>I just can't imagine pretending that Mr. Harrington's lifestyle was acceptable in order to preserve his self-esteem.</i><br /><br />It's not his lifestyle, it's his sexual orientation; and your lack of imagination is not a good reason to drive somebody to suicide.<br /><br /><i>You also have to remember that I am a Christian.</i><br /><br />You'll have to keep reminding me, I'm afraid, because you certainly don't talk like one.<br /><br /><i>So I replaced PFHM with paedophilia because some paedophiles have been killed for paedophilia. I did this in order to apply the thinking in your counter argument to your counter argument. It's simple. Either your reasoning is valid or it isn't.</i><br /><br />Since they don't want to raise awareness about LGBT just because some people got killed, your counter argument makes no sense at all. It also makes no sense at all period, but that's a whole other story.Paul Cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-535407704089461752010-10-15T08:57:01.016-05:002010-10-15T08:57:01.016-05:00You don't know anything about me, but you'...<i>You don't know anything about me, but you're just SURE I didn't risk anythg of importance. You're just SURE that I don't care about homosexuals.</i><br /><br />Hey, I can only go on the available evidence. I fail to see how writing to your city council risks anything; I fail to see you exhibit any sympathy for Zach Harrington or his family; I fail to see you exhibit any sympathy for homosexuals in general. It's part of a general pattern in your writing.<br /><br /><<i>Further, you think that my worldview is a cause for homosexuals to commit suicide.</i><br /><br />No I don't. I think you personally are a cause for homosexuals to commit suicide.<br /><br /><i>What you haven't done is show that my post's accusation is not ALSO part of the problem.</i><br /><br />I'm not trying to. My main point is that you are part of the problem – the largest part, in fact, a person with exactly the sort of attitudes that drove Zach Harrington to kill himself. As I said, I realise that you'll probably never recognise that, but I can't just stay silent.Paul Cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-54020051970324069352010-10-15T08:37:04.332-05:002010-10-15T08:37:04.332-05:00“Here's an idea - how about you just keep it t...“Here's an idea - how about you just keep it to yourself, whether gay or straight?”<br /><br />You’re conflating two things. You’re confusing the basic trait of orientation with how someone actually behaves in the workplace. <br /><br />I’m afraid that your response screams “homophobia”. You really hate the idea that gays exist, and you don’t ever want to have to see this or deal with this in any way. Well, it’s either homophobia or suppressed homosexuality a al Ted Haggard. I can’t tell which. <br /><br /><br />“ Hahaha, no. But I have b/c of buckteeth. Tell me why that's different.”<br /><br />And how did you feel about the fact that you had to fight off physical attack because of buckteeth? Is it ok that people attacked you because you had buckteeth? <br /><br /><br />“ And neither have the vast majority of homosexuals. “<br /><br />Again, irrelevant. <br /><br /><br /><br />“Fortunately, we've seen in the past that your morality has no bearing on anyone else.”<br /><br />Always changing the subject. Doesn’t change the disturbing nature of your way of thinking. <br /><br />Ok, I think we’ve seen who and what you are. Thanks for playing.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03798437859699719795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-89885951048561688142010-10-15T08:35:28.565-05:002010-10-15T08:35:28.565-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03798437859699719795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-71281495139885901062010-10-15T08:34:33.428-05:002010-10-15T08:34:33.428-05:00Again, irrelevant! We’re talking about differenc...Again, irrelevant! We’re talking about differences in terms of rights.<br /><br />“If you're asking whether I think it's OK for employers to discriminate against employees on the basis of whether they feel it necessary to publicise their sex lives to the entire world, then yes, I think they should be free to do that.” <br /><br />Really? You really think that it’s ok for fire someone because they’re gay? Now do you understand the need for a GLBT Month? Now do you understand why gay teenagers might think that suicide is the best choice? I’m afraid that your homophobia is showing. <br /><br />You think that’s it’s ok if you’re fired because you’re straight? Really? Have you ever been fired because of your orientation? <br /><br />“Homosexuality is not a civil right, <br /><br />This phrase makes no sense. It’s like saying “race is not a civil right”. Of course “race is not a civil right”. But you can’t discriminate based on race. Likewise, I see no reason to protect the right to discriminate based on orientation. If one is going to allow discrimination, then is seems to me that the burden should be on the discriminator to explain why this is necessary. <br /><br />“And I can only guess how my employer would react if I made sure everyone knows the details of my sexual preference. At work.”<br /><br />Does your immediate supervisor at work know that you are straight? Any doubts in your employer’s mind about your orientation. Do you keep your orientation a secret? How, exactly, do you propose that all employees keep their sexual orientation a complete and total secret from the employer? “Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03798437859699719795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-59118907540960071812010-10-15T08:32:09.567-05:002010-10-15T08:32:09.567-05:00“SOME humans. Prove to me that human rights are an...“SOME humans. Prove to me that human rights are anything other than what I've said. You know, evidence.”<br /><br />I’m sorry, but you didn’t answer the question. If something is created by humans, are these creations fantasies? <br /><br /><br />“ Knock yourself out. But not in most of the USA.”<br /><br />So, what? Irrelevant. Doesn’t address the point of loss of rights. <br /><br />“Doesn't it bother you that one of your "human rights" is not recognised in most of the world? “<br /><br />Huh? <br /><br />“You asked whether homosexuals have the same rights. I said they do. “<br /><br />No, they don’t. In some states, they are not able to marry the one consenting non-relative adult that they wish to marry. You do not experience the same denial of rights. <br /><br />Your claim is that gays have the same rights as straights. My point is that gays lose certain rights when they cross state borders. The legal rights recognized by one state are not recognized by the other state. If you’re gay, you lose your rights when you cross a state line. By contrast, straights retain these same rights. So, gays do not have the same rights as straights. <br /> <br />Most of the rest of your response simply misses the point or is irrelevant.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03798437859699719795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-47858678155269060682010-10-15T07:00:49.636-05:002010-10-15T07:00:49.636-05:00So if something is created by humans, it's a f...<i>So if something is created by humans, it's a fantasy?</i><br /><br />SOME humans. Prove to me that human rights are anything other than what I've said. You know, evidence.<br /><br /><br /><i>In several states, I can marry one adult of the either sex. One of the can't-bes is not "of the same gender".</i><br /><br />1) Knock yourself out. But not in most of the USA.<br />2) Doesn't it bother you that one of your "human rights" is not recognised in most of the world? <br />3) How does this address my response to your question? You asked whether homosexuals have the same rights. I said they do. Then you asked whether they have the right to do what nobody has the right to do. You're barking up the wrong tree.<br /><br /><br /><i> If I'm straight, I can marry one adult that I love.</i><br /><br />1) Or don't love. Love is irrelevant to marriage in the eyes of the state.<br />2) And nobody's forcing you to get married. <br />3) And no, you can't. I've already told you some of the limitations, and you haven't interacted with that yet, but have rather acted like I didn't say anythg.<br /><br /><br /><i> I lose rights that have in certain states</i><br /><br />What kind of right is it that can be lost by the whim of man? <br /><br /><br /><i> what about the UVA case?</i><br /><br />What do I care about it? You may have noticed I'm not in VA.<br />If you're asking whether I think it's OK for employers to discriminate against employees on the basis of whether they feel it necessary to publicise their sex lives to the entire world, then yes, I think they should be free to do that. Homosexuality is not a civil right, and I can only guess how my employer would react if I made sure everyone knows the details of my sexual preference. At work.<br />Here's an idea - how about you just keep it to yourself, whether gay or straight?<br /><br /><br /><i>Have you ever had to fight off a physical attack because you're straight? </i><br /><br />1) Hahaha, no. But I have b/c of buckteeth. Tell me why that's different.<br />2) And neither have the vast majority of homosexuals. <br /><br /><br /><i>it's kind of disturbing to know that people actually think like this</i><br /><br />Fortunately, we've seen in the past that your morality has no bearing on anyone else.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-25770563371310593042010-10-14T22:55:16.203-05:002010-10-14T22:55:16.203-05:00"Further, you think that my worldview is a ca..."Further, you think that my worldview is a cause for homosexuals to commit suicide. I grant it, actually, for reasons I've explained."<br /><br />Wow, it's kind of disturbing to know that people actually think like this.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03798437859699719795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-645987943870531792010-10-14T22:52:39.511-05:002010-10-14T22:52:39.511-05:00"What you haven't done is show that my po..."What you haven't done is show that my post's accusation is not ALSO part of the problem. "<br /><br />Still shooting the doctor? Try attacking the tumor instead. Gives the patient a better chance of survival.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03798437859699719795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-70136036727974713382010-10-14T22:50:36.120-05:002010-10-14T22:50:36.120-05:00"On atheism, human rights don't exist; th..."On atheism, human rights don't exist; they're a fantasy that some people agree to."<br /><br />So if something is created by humans, it's a fantasy?<br /><br /><br />"If you mean in the USA, no, you don't have that right. "<br /><br />Not quite right. In several states, I can marry one adult of the either sex. One of the can't-bes is not "of the same gender". I can, in fact, marry one adult person that I love regardless of sex. If I'm straight, I can marry one adult that I love. If I'm gay, I can marry one adult that I love. Gay, straight, we all of the same rights. <br /><br />But if I go to a different state, and if I'm gay, then I don't have the same rights that I have in certain other states. I lose rights that have in certain states. Your right to marry someone of the opposite sex is not lost in these other states. In these other state, if I'm gay, then I lose rights that I have in other states. But if I'm straight, I lose nothing. <br /><br />In the meantime, what about the UVA case?<br /><br />Have you ever had to fight off a physical attack because you're straight?Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03798437859699719795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-50888422483485276672010-10-14T22:32:53.846-05:002010-10-14T22:32:53.846-05:00Like I said, you are a hater, Paul C. You don'...Like I said, you are a hater, Paul C. You don't know anything about me, but you're just SURE I didn't risk anythg of importance. You're just SURE that I don't care about homosexuals. <br />But that's OK. We've established over and over that your moral system is based on nothing more than yourself. One homo sapien's opinion against another's. That hardly supports the weight of emotion you're pouring into these comments to debase me. The image of God is spilling out of you, but you won't admit it.<br /><br />Further, you think that my worldview is a cause for homosexuals to commit suicide. I grant it, actually, for reasons I've explained. What you haven't done is show that my post's accusation is not ALSO part of the problem. <br /><br /><br />David,<br /><br /><i>I have the right to marry the people I love?</i><br /><br />1) On atheism, human rights don't exist; they're a fantasy that some people agree to.<br />2) If you mean in the USA, no, you don't have that right. You can marry ONE PERSON. Don't have to love them. Can't be a close relative. Can't be underage. Lots of can't-bes. One of the can't-bes is of the same gender. But that same thing is true of everyone, so my statement is true.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-78088212293088729392010-10-14T21:07:21.322-05:002010-10-14T21:07:21.322-05:00“So I replaced PFHM with pedophilia because some p...“So I replaced PFHM with pedophilia because some paedophiles have been killed for paedophilia. I did this in order to apply the thinking in your counter argument to your counter argument. It's simple. Either your reasoning is valid or it isn't. If it is then please explain how.”<br /> <br />But if homosexuality is not the same as pedophilia, then a GLBT Month and a Pedophilia Month would not be equivalent. Now, when Paul C said that you were saying that they were the same, you said that this is not what you were saying. In addition, the differences were expanded upon in a previous discussion, and that’s why I suggested that you re-read those comments. So, we can conclude that homosexuality and pedophilia are not equivalent, and therefore, your original argument about replacing one type of month with another is not valid. The fact that some have been killed for pedophilia is irrelevant, because the two hypothetical months are not equivalent. No further reasoning or argument on my part is needed. <br /><br />“I wasn't waiting for a response to my comment on the difference between fetish and orientation. It was an aside.” <br /><br />Good. So, I see that we now can agree that your original steamer argument was not a very good one.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03798437859699719795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-18304796207433068722010-10-14T20:52:34.845-05:002010-10-14T20:52:34.845-05:00"You also have to remember that I am a Christ..."You also have to remember that I am a Christian. Without Christ, Mr. Harrington was dead already. So are you."<br /><br />Ah, yes, so now we move on to the "I have the one truly true truth, and you don't" part of the program. <br /><br />Well, we seem to have strayed a bit from Rho's original post, so just out of curiosity, Andrew, do you think that the CC is to share in the blame for the kid's death?Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03798437859699719795noreply@blogger.com