tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post6941220704323226477..comments2023-10-25T14:20:11.408-05:00Comments on RHOBLOGY: Tattle-taleRhologyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-252609765796051742012-10-24T21:13:12.156-05:002012-10-24T21:13:12.156-05:00Haha, this isn't at all what I was looking for...Haha, this isn't at all what I was looking for (Ephesians 5:11 in regards to tattletaling), but this was an interesting enough read to grab my attention. For what it's worth, McGrath's theology is a big thumbs down, and denying the penal substitutionary atonement certainly warrants an email to a pastor about a false teacher in his church. Anyone who quotes anything about not judging clearly doesn't have a good handle on Scripture (like when Paul kicks incest-boy and his mommy[-in-law] out of the church before he even gets there? haha).sass.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09000407031305481905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-88159200413296851252009-04-24T10:35:00.000-05:002009-04-24T10:35:00.000-05:00Scott,
I would hope that anyone who witnesses me ...Scott,<br /><br />I would hope that anyone who witnesses me throwing out a strawman would call me on it and correct it.<br />And yes, I've noticed some name-calling, for sure. Like the comment above yours.<br /><br />I have to disagree that it's a political discussion. I care little for politics. <A HREF="http://www.biblebelievers.com/machen/" REL="nofollow">There's a specific meaning for the term "theological liberal"</A> and it's different from a political liberal. In my experience, usually pol libs are also theo libs, but they don't necessarily intersect a great deal. <br /><br />And the world is big enough that there can be many diff groups of people who group themselves b/c of their shared hermeneutical outlook, I should think. So, who "controls" the landscape? Nobody as far as I can see. Humans are quite sinful and can be very inconsistent, so there are many, many diff ways of reading an important document like the Bible, few of which are legitimate, but they exist nonetheless.<br /><br />Rest assured I won't be getting into politics in the paper you've requested. I appreciate the concern.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-2760465516001217242009-04-24T06:48:00.000-05:002009-04-24T06:48:00.000-05:00hey, rhology--
a thought or two.
the inerrant ar...hey, rhology--<br /><br />a thought or two.<br /><br />the inerrant argument on all these threads at this point are so full of strawmen, ad hominems, name-calling, etc, etc that the principle of inerrancy is lost in the clamor. it's not a <I>theological</I> discussion, it's a <I>political</I> discussion. it's not about what the hermeneutical landscape looks like, it's about <I>who controls the hermeneutical landscape.</I> that's political, not theological.<br /><br />it's why i hope you'll write the 600-800 word teen-friendly version of the principle, so that the principle is clearly and compellingly presented. if you have to think of it in courtroom terms, it's more like the presentation and persuasion of an attorney's opening statements, and nothing at all like a syllogistic proof or a forensic proof.<br /><br />the kids won't care about the syllogisms, or the forensics, or the politics of the hermeneutical landscape. they'll care about the ideas related to the principle itself. they have no clue what 'conservative' or 'liberal' theology is, and i'm going to let them sort out the politics of theology on their own.<br /><br />thanks--<br /><br />scottscott grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12334188123201041182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-43559116006363826872009-04-23T17:45:00.000-05:002009-04-23T17:45:00.000-05:00You half brain little man I hope James does not re...You half brain little man I hope James does not replay to your childish remarks! and you call yourself Christian!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-48221840837241541372009-04-23T09:19:00.000-05:002009-04-23T09:19:00.000-05:00I'm not mad about anything, Scott, so I'll leave i...I'm not mad about anything, Scott, so I'll leave it to Rhology to answer.Paul Cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-12782930632028035272009-04-23T08:54:00.000-05:002009-04-23T08:54:00.000-05:00Yes, I love Jesus more than anything else, and He ...Yes, I love Jesus more than anything else, and He is being wronged here. So yes, that's part of it. I won't deny I have anger toward liberals and their false veneer of Christianity.<br />I also care a great deal about the truth and defending it against those who disagree for bad reasons. But like I said elsewhere, b/c this is all written, what is actually stridency and passion sometimes passes for anger. <br /><br />To therefore discount what I say on the topic is to commit the genetic fallacy (not that libs generally care about committing fallacies, in my experience).Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-84571261781110314532009-04-23T08:50:00.000-05:002009-04-23T08:50:00.000-05:00i guess i'm trying to figure out what you're so ma...i guess i'm trying to figure out what you're so mad about.<br /><br />in my experience, i get angry when i, or someone i care about, or a principle i care about, is wronged. i'm trying to figure out what principles you feel have been wrong to such a degree that you're mad about it. or is it personal-- you feel you've been wronged? or someone you care about?<br /><br />i don't have a dog in this race, so i don't find myself angry about the principle of inerrancy. or about the defining of 'true' christian. i'm just trying to figure out why you're so mad about this.<br /><br />the clearer the principles are articulated, the easier it is for me to understand your positions. i don't care about explanations, proofs, or arguments about the truth-content of the principle itself, i'm just trying to figure out your strong connection to particular principles.scott grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12334188123201041182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-40790226330883039542009-04-23T08:38:00.000-05:002009-04-23T08:38:00.000-05:00Scott - I'm not sure why your question is directed...Scott - I'm not sure why your question is directed at me? My contention is that the non-Christian must accept at face value the words of anybody claiming to be Christian, since there appear to be almost no obvious indicators of what constitutes a "true" Christian. Does that make sense?Paul Cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-89843905401652787742009-04-23T07:37:00.000-05:002009-04-23T07:37:00.000-05:00WES said:
How could you have possibly thought that...WES said:<br /><I>How could you have possibly thought that it was appropriate to e-mail the pastor. What is this? 1st grade? </I>No, this is the church of Jesus Christ. <br />Why is it so incredible to you that I might have love and concern for a group of people who profess the name of Christ in another location? What do you think we do when we give money for missions?<br /><br /><br /><I>I bet an egotistical biggot like you is just getting a kick out of causing pain to people like me and Dr. McGrath.</I>steph said: <I>It's quite clear that these fundamentalists are only capable of pithy rhetoric and insults. </I>The irony is nearly suffocating. <br /><br /><br /><br />scott, <br /><br />I would say that any other principle at stake would be of less importance than the question of how we can know anything about God. Perhaps McGrath and I disagree about whether God will infallibly preserve His elect from 'losing their salvation'; that's a far smaller deal than what we've been discussing. But if you hang out here long enough, you'll know I like to try to get to the heart of the matter as much as possible. <br /><br />Peace,<br />RhologyRhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-28039353404166374752009-04-23T07:13:00.000-05:002009-04-23T07:13:00.000-05:00rhology and paul c--
what other principles seem a...rhology and paul c--<br /><br />what other principles seem at stake, seem to be violated for you?scott grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12334188123201041182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-77324648544599186022009-04-23T03:14:00.000-05:002009-04-23T03:14:00.000-05:00Wes: Don't let them bother you. You haven't got ...Wes: Don't let them bother you. You haven't got anything to worry about and neither has James. It's quite clear that these fundamentalists are only capable of pithy rhetoric and insults. Jesus would tell them to return to God and stop obsessing about everybody else. And Jesus never told anyone what to think - he encouraged his audience to think for themselves by telling stories and speaking in parables. And he was always honest about what he thought, despite those who opposed him. James reminds me of Jesus...stephnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-81182840897954903352009-04-23T01:02:00.000-05:002009-04-23T01:02:00.000-05:00I assume that you're doing most of this for attent...I assume that you're doing most of this for attention but please don't presume you know someone well enough over the internet to press into their personal lives and possibly be divisive to their church. How could you have possibly thought that it was appropriate to e-mail the pastor. What is this? 1st grade? <br /><br />Oh well, I bet an egotistical biggot like you is just getting a kick out of causing pain to people like me and Dr. McGrath. I bet you even have a bible verse to back yourself up. Maybe you should call my pastor and tell him all our youth are going to hell and that I'm a heretic... since it's your "responsebility" and all to police the blog world.wellis68https://www.blogger.com/profile/06087588494600746854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-30222703199908038102009-04-22T23:30:00.000-05:002009-04-22T23:30:00.000-05:00There is no Aramaic word meaning 'repent'. And no...There is no Aramaic word meaning 'repent'. And no, the "apostles" don't use repent and return interchangeably. What on earth gives you that idea!<br /><br />Rhoblogy: your entire blog and snide cynical sarcasm.stephnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-44272770685759967672009-04-22T23:23:00.000-05:002009-04-22T23:23:00.000-05:00do you mean identifying themselves as 'christian' ...<I>do you mean identifying themselves as 'christian' without meeting a particular set of criteria that identifies 'christian?'</I>Yes, that's exactly what he means. Unfortunately we've established in a previous discussion that<br /><br />a) he can't actually provide a coherent set of criteria for who is a Christian (but apparently he has the last word on who is and isn't - look out, he might excommunicate you!), and<br /><br />b) he can't actually provide a coherent reason for why we should accept his word about who's Christian and who isn't, rather than accepting anybody else who claims to be Christian.Paul Cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-38514513745102107782009-04-22T16:39:00.000-05:002009-04-22T16:39:00.000-05:00incidentally, Steph, I'd be interested to know in ...incidentally, Steph, I'd be interested to know in your method for so rigidly delineating between the semitic "return" and the greek "repent", especially considering the apostles, who would have known both, seem to use them interchangeably?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-87227117295773234512009-04-22T14:36:00.000-05:002009-04-22T14:36:00.000-05:00Chew on this:
I do not believe in God. I believe ...Chew on this:<br /><br />I do not believe in God. I believe that Muhammad was a deceived fool. I have no desire to pray 5 times a day.<br />I am also a Muslim. <br /><br />Kinda like that. :-DRhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-78425187416529670332009-04-22T14:32:00.000-05:002009-04-22T14:32:00.000-05:00do you mean identifying themselves as 'christian' ...do you mean identifying themselves as 'christian' without meeting a particular set of criteria that identifies 'christian?'scott grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12334188123201041182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-56840961054299794922009-04-22T14:09:00.000-05:002009-04-22T14:09:00.000-05:00The main thing that irks me about him (and all lib...The main thing that irks me about him (and all liberals) is their taking the name of Christ with virtually none of the substance.<br />My questions in green text near the top express that.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-35709703657608820662009-04-22T14:08:00.000-05:002009-04-22T14:08:00.000-05:00r--
i get the principle 'the bible is the inspire...r--<br /><br />i get the principle 'the bible is the inspired, inerrent word of god.'<br /><br />it seems to me that vthere are other principles in your wrangle with mcgrath. what other principles seem to be in play here?<br /><br />s--scott grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12334188123201041182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-46807754696943654282009-04-22T07:09:00.000-05:002009-04-22T07:09:00.000-05:00I understood your point, yes, steph.
I am unsure f...I understood your point, yes, steph.<br />I am unsure from what I'm supposed to turn. Could you please indicate what comment leads you to think I'm writing from a heart of self-righteousness?Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-60903941768368278242009-04-21T23:58:00.000-05:002009-04-21T23:58:00.000-05:00Didn't you understand? I'm telling you "return to...Didn't you understand? I'm telling you "return to God". Repent is a Greek word. I am talking about the semitic origin. You should turn away from your ridiculous self righteous and rude bickering and turn to God.stephnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-47733066684434303742009-04-21T13:35:00.000-05:002009-04-21T13:35:00.000-05:00i'll lurk back on this thread once in a while; lea...i'll lurk back on this thread once in a while; leave a note. or you can drop me an email when you're ready; just follow my blogspot link.<br /><br />peace--<br /><br />scottscott grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12334188123201041182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-52935802080551447312009-04-21T13:30:00.000-05:002009-04-21T13:30:00.000-05:00I'll see what I can do. Appreciate the offer.I'll see what I can do. Appreciate the offer.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-89251085719788094902009-04-21T13:07:00.000-05:002009-04-21T13:07:00.000-05:00classes are over in 4 weeks, so if it's something ...classes are over in 4 weeks, so if it's something for us to wrestle with this academic year, it needs to bee soon. but i understand if you need time with this. if i were agreeing to this project, i'd need time with it, too.<br /><br />i'll have another set of kids next academic year as well, and what i'm asking them to do with your white paper requires a good bit of 'theology building;' most of them don't come to the table with the tools they need to think about these issues. so next year we won't get to your paper until april (right after easter) at the earliest.<br /><br />glad you're interested.scott grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12334188123201041182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-48541027444445246912009-04-21T12:47:00.000-05:002009-04-21T12:47:00.000-05:00That sounds like fun.
What time frame were you t...That sounds like fun. <br />What time frame were you thinking?Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.com