tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post7306093918947177538..comments2023-10-25T14:20:11.408-05:00Comments on RHOBLOGY: Or does it?Rhologyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-53649868109584576742012-01-30T08:52:15.148-06:002012-01-30T08:52:15.148-06:00You made that connection, not I.You made that connection, not I.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-47013966368950222062012-01-30T03:51:07.787-06:002012-01-30T03:51:07.787-06:00Ah, rho, now I see, from your post on Triablogue, ...Ah, rho, now I see, from your post on Triablogue, the "threat to social order" posed by gays: wearing briefs and playing with sex toys in public. Chacun à son goût, but that kind of behavior ranks fairly low on my list of threats to social order.zilchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695741977946935771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-91619438847411778982012-01-24T11:18:48.229-06:002012-01-24T11:18:48.229-06:00"It's one of them."
What are the ot..."It's one of them."<br /><br />What are the others?merkurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-81999903398275131612012-01-24T11:07:09.674-06:002012-01-24T11:07:09.674-06:00The one is a threat to social order and sin agains...<i>The one is a threat to social order and sin against other people made in the image of God. The other is just a way people choose to pass time.</i><br /><br />So you want Christianity (or other anti-gay religion of your choice) to be established as the state religion, rho? Otherwise, "sin" has no legal standing. And can you show us some evidence that homosexuality is a "threat to social order"?zilchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695741977946935771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-68015227227511653362012-01-24T09:55:03.354-06:002012-01-24T09:55:03.354-06:00"It's one of them. And the basis for choo..."It's one of them. And the basis for choosing which X HM you select and which you don't is also telling"<br /><br />It seems that one would decide the relative merits of any given political advocacy for "X History Month" on the basis of three factors: the size of the group involved; the political visibility of that group; and the level of perceived and/or actual suffering of that group.<br /><br />"which is why I'd really like you to answer the question."<br /><br />You didn't ask a question. Your attempted reductio finished with the sage words: "Now, proceed." I have proceeded.<br /><br />"As well as the other questions you've so far avoided."<br /><br />I'm struggling here, because as far as I can tell I've answered all the questions you've asked.merkurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-2708713290693131492012-01-24T09:31:47.101-06:002012-01-24T09:31:47.101-06:00is your objection to “X History Month” that is imp...<i>is your objection to “X History Month” that is impractical?</i><br /><br />It's one of them. And the <b>basis for choosing</b> which X HM you select and which you don't is also telling, which is why I'd really like you to answer the question.<br />As well as the other questions you've so far avoided.<br /><br />And thanks for your opinion on the other debates.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-62261107285274350702012-01-24T09:29:22.331-06:002012-01-24T09:29:22.331-06:00“Crimes are not equivalent to recognition of ___ H...“Crimes are not equivalent to recognition of ___ History Month, to the gov't actively celebrating a specific activity.”<br /><br />I'm not saying that they are, nor does my argument rest on any such equivalence. I'm saying that the form of your reductio is precisely equivalent to the form of my reductio. If you think my reductio has no force, then why do you think your reductio has any force?<br /><br />This goes straight to my question to you: is your objection to “X History Month” that is impractical? Because that's the only implication of your reductio: it doesn't provide any actual principle on which one might object to that situation, only a logistical problem.<br /><br />“As for BHM, I prefer to discuss things I do actually have issue with. I like how you're diverting attention from your bigoted attitude toward Polo Player History Month, but I'm going to need to ask you to interact with that point, please, instead of introducing another argument.”<br /><br />I already “interacted” with that point – and can I just say for the record how much I love the way you mangle the English language when you're trying to appear clever? I “interacted” with that point when I said:<br /><br />“I don't have a bigoted attitude toward Polo Player History Month. What I said was: "This is borne out by the evidence that the groups that you list have ever put forward any such claims of suffering or marginalisation; if they did, then there would be a discussion to have." This indicates that if any of those groups put forward claims of suffering and marginalisation, I would be open to discussing the merits of any claims for a X history month.”<br /><br />I know you're fucking up several different debates on several different blogs at any given time, but you might at least try to read through people's answers before you press "post"!merkurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-35576132387841737402012-01-24T08:21:41.878-06:002012-01-24T08:21:41.878-06:00Crimes are not equivalent to recognition of ___ Hi...Crimes are not equivalent to recognition of ___ History Month, to the gov't actively celebrating a specific activity. <br /><br />The one is a threat to social order and sin against other people made in the image of God. The other is just a way people choose to pass time.<br /><br />Also, your false analogy doesn't answer the question I posed you. <br /><br />As for BHM, I prefer to discuss things I do actually have issue with. I like how you're diverting attention from your bigoted attitude toward Polo Player History Month, but I'm going to need to ask you to interact with that point, please, instead of introducing another argument.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-87888237880442664762012-01-23T13:55:10.156-06:002012-01-23T13:55:10.156-06:00p.s. I'm not sure what you hope to achieve wit...p.s. I'm not sure what you hope to achieve with your attempt at a reductio (I'm not even convinced it is a reductio, but we can let that slide).<br /><br />For example, pretend that as many individuals as you can think of are committing crimes - hundreds of thousands of them! Is that an argument against having a criminal justice system? If not, why do you think an identical formulation is an argument against having Black History Month?merkurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-31381734834018550152012-01-23T12:49:40.276-06:002012-01-23T12:49:40.276-06:00I asked you before, but you did not answer: is you...I asked you before, but you did not answer: is your objection to "X History Month" that a) it would be impractical to have a "History Month" for every special interest group, or b) having you disagree with "X History Month" where X is not "ontological", or c) something else?<br /><br />Try writing what you think, rather than trying to be clever. It will help you to be understood more easily.merkurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-77727871795548733342012-01-23T12:20:13.607-06:002012-01-23T12:20:13.607-06:00You just took a few steps backwards.
Let's try...You just took a few steps backwards.<br />Let's try again.<br /><br /><br />Do you not know a reductio ad absurdum when you see one?<br /><br />Pretend that as many special interest groups as you can think of are also asking for "____ History Month". Hundreds of thousands of them.<br /><br />Now, proceed.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-67310908417230975672012-01-23T11:55:27.360-06:002012-01-23T11:55:27.360-06:00"I like how you're diverting attention fr..."I like how you're diverting attention from your bigoted attitude toward Polo Player History Month"<br /><br />I don't have a bigoted attitude toward Polo Player History Month. What I said was: "This is borne out by the evidence that the groups that you list have ever put forward any such claims of suffering or marginalisation; if they did, then there would be a discussion to have." This indicates that if any of those groups put forward claims of suffering and marginalisation, I would be open to discussing the merits of any claims for a X history month.<br /><br />You don't care about my answer, of course. You just want to avoid engaging with the points that I actually made, as you usually do. Do you agree that straight white men have a de facto near-monopoly? Do you agree that other groups have been marginalised as a result? What's your opinion on "history months" as means of political activism?<br /><br />I fear these things will remain a mystery for the ages. Having a serious discussion is too much like hard work, I suppose.merkurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-62372491430169746522012-01-23T11:44:22.319-06:002012-01-23T11:44:22.319-06:00Your opinion is noted.
As for BHM, I prefer to di...Your opinion is noted.<br /><br />As for BHM, I prefer to discuss things I do actually have issue with. I like how you're diverting attention from your bigoted attitude toward Polo Player History Month, but I'm going to need to ask you to interact with that point, please, instead of introducing another argument.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-19421095748630061222012-01-23T11:39:33.167-06:002012-01-23T11:39:33.167-06:00Your post was an incoherent mishmash of dog-whistl...Your post was an incoherent mishmash of dog-whistle memes that you've been repeating ad nauseum since you started blogging. I'm simply trying to bring some clarity to the discussion by establishing exactly what it is you object to about e.g. Black History Month. I made clear what my intention was in my first comment, and I assumed the fact that you kept posting meant that you did, in fact, want to have a serious discussion about an issue which clearly means something to you, but which you can't articulate your opinion on. If I was mistaken, I apologise.Merkurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-7940788043681580762012-01-23T11:33:50.212-06:002012-01-23T11:33:50.212-06:00But you're not asking this time around about w...But you're not asking this time around about what I wrote about in my OP.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-12724708853905197282012-01-23T11:26:43.132-06:002012-01-23T11:26:43.132-06:00You asked the rhetorical question: "When has ...You asked the rhetorical question: "When has anyone proclaimed "Heterosexual History Month"?" In my comment, I attempted to explain why nobody has ever proclaimed heterosexual history month. Your sudden decision that something you wrote in your own post is irrelevant to what you wanted to discuss in that post strikes me as not a little bizarre.merkurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-60165975917085687462012-01-23T11:21:09.220-06:002012-01-23T11:21:09.220-06:00What is the relevance to the OP?
Not that I mind ...What is the relevance to the OP?<br /><br />Not that I mind discussing this in and of itself, but I don't always have time. And I don't have time for this unless you can give me a reason to think it's relevant.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-24385795798342079782012-01-23T11:17:53.446-06:002012-01-23T11:17:53.446-06:00"It just depends on the group."
Yes, I ..."It just depends on the group."<br /><br />Yes, I get that, but what depends on the group, and why? It's no use complaining that I'm missing your point if you won't clarify your point to begin with.<br /><br />If you're finding it difficult to articulate, start with what is known. Do you object to Black HM? If yes, why; if no, why? Do you object to Women's HM? If yes, why; if no, why?<br /><br />Don't worry, eventually we'll get to the bottom of this!merkurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-56141023286291461882012-01-23T11:08:05.496-06:002012-01-23T11:08:05.496-06:00It just depends on the group.It just depends on the group.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-48842525016238028572012-01-23T11:04:59.054-06:002012-01-23T11:04:59.054-06:00Explain "not necessarily".Explain "not necessarily".merkurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-56834665092405173462012-01-23T10:58:39.132-06:002012-01-23T10:58:39.132-06:00Not necessarily, no.Not necessarily, no.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-22152576357451924752012-01-23T10:56:34.645-06:002012-01-23T10:56:34.645-06:00I'd like an answer please, so that I don't...I'd like an answer please, so that I don't misrepresent your position. Do you have an objection in principle to the very idea of X History Month, regardless of group X?merkurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-11233454793355962542012-01-23T10:52:29.218-06:002012-01-23T10:52:29.218-06:00Any disagreement I might have with either of those...Any disagreement I might have with either of those would be insignificant by comparison.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-30585763075729542692012-01-23T10:49:32.694-06:002012-01-23T10:49:32.694-06:00Also, just to be clear: can we assume that you don...Also, just to be clear: can we assume that you don't object to Black History Month or Women's History Month since "black" and "woman" are (in your view) "ontological"?merkurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-23304959018401127982012-01-23T10:37:39.283-06:002012-01-23T10:37:39.283-06:00I believe that I comprehensively addressed your mi...I believe that I comprehensively addressed your mistaken belief in an earlier comments thread.merkurnoreply@blogger.com