tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post7318916052721295124..comments2023-10-25T14:20:11.408-05:00Comments on RHOBLOGY: Tyler McNabb's deleted post comboxRhologyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-59010952809755332822012-08-15T07:33:21.768-05:002012-08-15T07:33:21.768-05:00as for Transubstantiation, Christ Himself states: ...<br /><i>as for Transubstantiation, Christ Himself states: "Take ye and eat, THIS IS MY BODY." </i><br /><br />How does this prove transsubstantiation? Why wouldn't the disciples have understood Him to be speaking figuratively, since He was sitting right there and holding up a piece of bread?<br />Are you aware that the doctrine of transsub is monophysite, resulting in your violation of the Council of Chalcedon?<br /><br /><br /><br /><i>As for indulgences, the Church has the power to bind and to loose things in heaven and on earth.</i><br /><br />Flesh this out, please.<br /><br /><br /><i>As for celibate priesthood, Christ called for it and Paul highly recommends it</i><br /><br />Where did Christ call for it?<br />Why did Paul say that a presbuteros must be the husband of one wife?<br /><br /><br /><br /><i>As for the perpetual virginity of Mary, she was the spouse of the Holy Spirit</i><br /><br />?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!!?!??!?!?!????!?!?!??!!?!?!??!?<br />Disgusting. Blasphemous. What a foolish thing to say. Please prove this repulsive assertion.<br /><br /><br /><i>the Early Church Fathers teach that she was a perpetual virgin.</i><br /><br />Why then does the NT say that Jesus had brothers and sisters?<br />Why does it say Joseph didn't know her UNTIL (heos hou in Greek) she gave birth to Jesus?<br />Why do you think Mary would have denied her husband proper and righteous conjugal rights? I thought you thought she was sinless.<br /><br /><br /><br /><i>As for the Immaculate Conception, if you read Genesis 3:15 God Himself promised to put enmity between the serpent and the woman who was to become the mother of the Savior.</i><br /><br />What in the world does that have to do with the IC? Are you aware that the RC doctrine of the IC refers to MARY's birth and not Jesus'?<br /><br /><br /><i>The problem is that all you are doing is no different than Arius, who without Church authority and Sacred Tradition, took it upon himself to teach his own ideas.</i><br /><br />This statement contains no meaning. <br />Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-64748856978013842922012-08-15T07:33:14.617-05:002012-08-15T07:33:14.617-05:00It's not unto individuals like yourself.
Thi...<br /><i>It's not unto individuals like yourself. </i><br /><br />This statement indicates you're a novice in this kind of debate. I recommend you do more reading and less talking. <br />I don't know of anyone who is claiming that individuals like myself have authority. <br />Seriously, rise above this level of discourse. It does no one any good.<br /><br /><br /><br /><i>"Then the master called the servant in. 'You wicked servant,' he said, 'I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. Shouldn't you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?' In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, UNTIL HE SHOULD PAY BACK all he owed. "THIS IS HOW MY HEAVENLY FATHER WILL TREAT EACH OF YOU unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart." --Matt. 18:32-35</i><br /><i>"Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. Truly I tell you, you will not get out UNTIL YOU HAVE PAID BACK THE LAST PENNY."--Matt. 5:25</i><br /><br /><br />Why would I think this is an indication of Purgtory and not Hell?<br />Please explain how you'd arrive at the doctrine of Purgatory by coming to this text with no presuppositions. How would honest exegesis draw Purgatory out?<br />Please explain how the concept of the individual sinner paying God back is consistent with NT teaching, especially Romans 4 and Romans 8. Is God bringing a charge against God's elect?<br />Please explain how your pitiful efforts can please God.<br /><br /><br /><br /><i>The idea of Purgatory is also in the Old Testament. One example of this is 2 Maccabees. Unfortunately for Protestants, your Bible is missing 7 books of the Old Testament because Protestants have put their faith in the teachings of a man named Martin Luther (who took it upon himself to dismiss 7 of the Old Testament books, and to denigrate the Epistle of James and the Book of Revelation</i><br /><br />LOL. You're just full of the usual Catholic Answers lines. <br />You're wrong about James and Revelation.<br />I don't put my faith in Luther.<br />There was no set Canon of the OT at Luther's time. Trent decided to set one in the 1530s, well after the Reformation. Cardinal Cajetan rejected the Deuterocanonicals, to name one contemporary of Luther. <br />2 Maccabees doesn't teach Purgatory. I challenge you to provide exegesis of the passage that proves such. <br /><br /><br /><i>As for apostolic succession, we have an example of this with Matthias replacing Judas.</i><br /><br />Which fulfilled one specific prophecy. Please provide evidence that this practice continued, especially since Peter and Paul and John never mentioned anything of the kind in their latter epistles. <br /><br /><br /><br /><i> As for Papal infallibility, Cephas was a sinner yet he wrote inerrant Scripture; </i><br /><br />1) Prove Peter was the Pope.<br />2) The same is true of other NT writers.<br />3) Why wouldn't I simply think that those who were inspired to write inerrant Scripture were recipients of God's special power to write it? Why should I believe in papal infallibility?<br />4) What about Pope Honorius?<br />5) What about Pope Sixtus?<br />6) Where is the NT teaching about this? <br />7) If the Pope is infallible, why have church councils?<br />8) If the Pope is infallible, why does he so infrequently use this charism?<br />Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-1433630664137480212012-08-15T07:32:47.133-05:002012-08-15T07:32:47.133-05:00Hi Gabriel,
Sorry it has taken me so long to repl...Hi Gabriel,<br /><br />Sorry it has taken me so long to reply.<br /><br /><i>Where does the New Testament clearly teach that every person is responsible for correctly handling God’s revelation of Himself</i><br /><br /><a href="http://turretinfan.blogspot.com/2012/08/authority-granted-to-judge-what-paul.html" rel="nofollow">Here.</a><br />Also <br />Matthew 22:31 - But regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God:<br />Luke 6:3 - And Jesus answering them said, "Have you not even read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him,<br />Mark 12:10 - "Have you not even read this Scripture: 'THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED, THIS BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone;<br />Matt 19:4 - And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE,<br />2 Tim 2:15 - 15Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.<br /><br />Not to mention the complete absence of any NT institution that would remove that responsibility from the person.<br />I don't get it - what precisely are you getting at?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><i>explain how this fits in with the fact that heretics in the history of the Church have always used Sacred Scripture to argue their teachings? Take for example the Arian heresy.</i><br /><br />People misuse the Bible all the time. Does that mean the Bible can't be used correctly? Explain your reasoning.<br /><br /><br /><br /><i>Arianism taught that Christ was a creature made by God using Sacred Scripture to support its claims</i><br /><br />Yes, by twisting it. Which twisting Athanasius identified...by use of Sacred Scripture.<br /><br /><br /><br /><i>The Arian concept of Christ taught against the doctrine of the Holy STrinity by using the Gospel of John which quotes Jesus saying: “I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I." (John 14:28)</i><br /><br />That's why God revealed more than one verse.<br /><br /><br /><br /><i>This is because anyone can rationalize any doctrine they want using the Scriptures. </i><br /><br />Same thing applies about Roman Church proclamations. <br /><br /><br /><br /><i>The thing that all heretics have in common is that they were all self-appointed freelance Bible interpreters who thought they were teaching the truth, when in fact they were merely leading souls astray.</i><br /><br />Not Pope Honorius. <br />Anyway, saying "self-appointed freelance Bible interpreters" is a Roman bugaboo that doesn't actually have any meaning. It's just supposed to create trepidation and a reaction in the reader.<br />God holds every person responsible for properly handling His Word and every individual has to interpret ALL communication that comes to him/her. That's just the facts. <br />I'd like to ask you to prove that these heretics did indeed think they were teaching the truth. That's not the NT picture of heretics - they are deceived partially, yes, but a great deal of that deception is self-deception and they are malicious and intentional evildoers.<br /><br /><br /><i>The Catholic Church has always taught through both Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture--BOTH--not just one or the other.</i><br /><br />This is so vague as to be meaningless.<br /><br /><br /><br /><i>We also see in Scripture, i.e. Acts 15 that the Church has the authority to define what is doctrine.</i><br /><br />1) Those were apostles. You're not.<br />2) The situation is pretty different today than in the church's infancy. There was no NT at the time, for example.<br />3) It's ironic that you point to the Scripture to argue against the Scripture's authority.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-80354869125910020022012-08-03T00:28:59.353-05:002012-08-03T00:28:59.353-05:00Hello Rhoblogy, thanks for your response.
Where ...Hello Rhoblogy, thanks for your response. <br /><br />Where does the New Testament clearly teach that every person is responsible for correctly handling God’s revelation of Himself, and explain how this fits in with the fact that heretics in the history of the Church have always used Sacred Scripture to argue their teachings? Take for example the Arian heresy.<br /><br />Arianism taught that Christ was a creature made by God using Sacred Scripture to support its claims. The Arian concept of Christ taught against the doctrine of the Holy STrinity by using the Gospel of John which quotes Jesus saying: “I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I." (John 14:28)<br /><br />Realize that defining doctrines using Scripture alone, apart from Sacred Tradition and legitimate Church authority, will simply end up in error. This is because anyone can rationalize any doctrine they want using the Scriptures. But Arianism was solemnly condemned by the Catholic Church in AD 325 at the First Council of Nicaea.<br /><br />The thing that all heretics have in common is that they were all self-appointed freelance Bible interpreters who thought they were teaching the truth, when in fact they were merely leading souls astray.<br /><br />The Catholic Church has always taught through both Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture--BOTH--not just one or the other. We also see in Scripture, i.e. Acts 15 that the Church has the authority to define what is doctrine. It's not unto individuals like yourself. Take for example the heated argument Paul had with the Circumcisers, which led to the Council of Jerusalem.<br /><br /><br />As for Purgatory, and all the other subjects you enumerate, these can be backed up by both Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture. For instance your first topic. Jesus Christ mentions Purgatory a number of times. Jesus explained:<br /><br />"Then the master called the servant in. 'You wicked servant,' he said, 'I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. Shouldn't you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?' In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, UNTIL HE SHOULD PAY BACK all he owed. "THIS IS HOW MY HEAVENLY FATHER WILL TREAT EACH OF YOU unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart." --Matt. 18:32-35<br /><br /><br />Jesus warns:<br /><br />"Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. Truly I tell you, you will not get out UNTIL YOU HAVE PAID BACK THE LAST PENNY."--Matt. 5:25<br /><br /><br />The idea of Purgatory is also in the Old Testament. One example of this is 2 Maccabees. Unfortunately for Protestants, your Bible is missing 7 books of the Old Testament because Protestants have put their faith in the teachings of a man named Martin Luther (who took it upon himself to dismiss 7 of the Old Testament books, and to denigrate the Epistle of James and the Book of Revelation)<br /><br />As for apostolic succession, we have an example of this with Matthias replacing Judas. As for Papal infallibility, Cephas was a sinner yet he wrote inerrant Scripture; as for Transubstantiation, Christ Himself states: "Take ye and eat, THIS IS MY BODY." As for indulgences, the Church has the power to bind and to loose things in heaven and on earth. As for celibate priesthood, Christ called for it and Paul highly recommends it (The priesthood is a free choice which a man makes after 7 years of discernment). As for the perpetual virginity of Mary, she was the spouse of the Holy Spirit, and the Early Church Fathers teach that she was a perpetual virgin. As for the Immaculate Conception, if you read Genesis 3:15 God Himself promised to put enmity between the serpent and the woman who was to become the mother of the Savior.<br /><br />The problem is that all you are doing is no different than Arius, who without Church authority and Sacred Tradition, took it upon himself to teach his own ideas..Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04955943932528129401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-46224570982883916172012-08-01T14:55:47.371-05:002012-08-01T14:55:47.371-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.threehappypenguinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605404947310441205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-66257272796598685982012-08-01T14:55:09.039-05:002012-08-01T14:55:09.039-05:00I have a copy of the original post that Tyler made...I have a copy of the original post that Tyler made: http://covenantrpc.freehostia.com/misc/usswimteam.htmthreehappypenguinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605404947310441205noreply@blogger.com