tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post7890011429299631891..comments2023-10-25T14:20:11.408-05:00Comments on RHOBLOGY: Et tu, Nestorius?Rhologyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-58506913773264124952010-01-19T14:25:50.638-06:002010-01-19T14:25:50.638-06:00All, please see the update to the original post, t...All, please see the update to the original post, thanks to John Bugay.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-80996175995492473612009-12-30T21:28:58.672-06:002009-12-30T21:28:58.672-06:00Bossmanham,
Excellent elucidation of the right be...Bossmanham,<br /><br />Excellent elucidation of the right belief in why we call Mary θεοτóκος. <br /><br />The problem here, I think, stems from the common East-West difference of where we begin respectively with theology; Western theologians begin with the <i>essence</i> of God being One -- hence the focus on Fr., Son, Spirit=divine, or God -- whereas Eastern theologians begin with the three separate persons who have the same essence due to being from the same Fountainhead: the Father.<br /><br />Mary is not the mother of God in the sense that she is the mother of the Father, who is often the one referred to in the Old Testament as "God." But His Son and Word, who is eternally begotten of the Father and is divine with the same exact divinity as the Father has (for the Son derived said divinity from the Father), is the One in the womb of the θεοτóκος. And the word θεοτóκος refers literally to "she who bears He Who is divine." The one who bore you is your mother. The one who bore the eternal, divine Son and Word of the Father is θεοτóκος.Fr. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03489705490983833993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-59893916510470021162009-12-27T14:40:39.459-06:002009-12-27T14:40:39.459-06:00In the Canon of the Resurrection (at least in Roma...In the Canon of the Resurrection (at least in Romanian): "God's father David, before the Ark of the shadow jumped dancing, etc"Luciannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-23098332547729351862009-12-27T13:49:46.643-06:002009-12-27T13:49:46.643-06:00OK, but what about David?OK, but what about David?Viisaushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02682159289133730565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-56841977919771156292009-12-27T05:43:58.246-06:002009-12-27T05:43:58.246-06:00The Greeks call Saint James the Brother of God (ad...The Greeks call Saint James the Brother of God (adelphotheos), for instance.Luciannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-14472126674779672312009-12-26T14:41:26.361-06:002009-12-26T14:41:26.361-06:00I do not doubt that EOs are used to calling David ...I do not doubt that EOs are used to calling David a "forefather of KYRIOS", (Lord) but are the any examples of EOs calling David "a forefather of THEOU"? (God)Viisaushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02682159289133730565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-89333053416051451632009-12-26T10:41:01.517-06:002009-12-26T10:41:01.517-06:00to show His divinity.
Wait a second. You believe...<i>to show His divinity.</i><br /><br />Wait a second. You believe Jesus is God?Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-40809033062685320782009-12-25T22:31:44.509-06:002009-12-25T22:31:44.509-06:00"In the NT, "Lord" most commonly = ..."In the NT, "Lord" most commonly = Jesus."<br /><br />Which is one of the apologetics used to show Jesus is God.<br /><br />Vox: "I have demonstrated this point and thoroughly refuted this assertion of yours here. "<br /><br />Your post doesn't make sense to me, for the reasons I stated in my response, if you ever get around to approving it.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02977287092917957220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-25519228333742302902009-12-25T17:24:43.216-06:002009-12-25T17:24:43.216-06:00"Lord" most commonly = Jesus
...to show...<i>"Lord" most commonly = Jesus</i><br /><br />...to show His divinity... :-\Luciannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-2713962048055881462009-12-24T20:31:05.742-06:002009-12-24T20:31:05.742-06:00More equivocation.
In the NT, "Lord" mo...More equivocation.<br /><br />In the NT, "Lord" most commonly = Jesus.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-27503391573838971782009-12-24T19:24:13.580-06:002009-12-24T19:24:13.580-06:00Lord = God.Lord = God.Luciannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-48590866511002702632009-12-24T19:13:00.431-06:002009-12-24T19:13:00.431-06:00You make me laugh.
"the mother of my Lord&qu...You make me laugh.<br /><br />"the mother of my Lord" - yeah, she was the mother of Christ. <br />Thanks. Bye.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-77146262519215006342009-12-24T19:02:01.749-06:002009-12-24T19:02:01.749-06:00It's just that "Christotokos" and &q...<i>It's just that "Christotokos" and "Mary, mother of CHRIST" are FAR more correct and helpful, and less dangerous.</i><br /><br />Tell it to the Bible, not to me: <br /><br />Luke 1:43 And whence is this to me, that <b>the mother of my Lord </b>should come to me?<br /><br />Sola Scriptura, right?luciannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-84059257649017107772009-12-24T18:05:01.428-06:002009-12-24T18:05:01.428-06:00If Nestorius were still around today, ...
Uhm......<i>If Nestorius were still around today, ... </i><br /><br />Uhm... Nestorians ARE still around today, and they do "worship" the saints just as much as Catholics and Orthodox and Monophysites do. BUT they don't reffer to Mary as Mother of God, but rather only as Mother of man or Mother of Christ.Luciannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-70358570197926861672009-12-24T18:00:48.039-06:002009-12-24T18:00:48.039-06:00Any takers for calling David "the Father of G...<i>Any takers for calling David "the Father of God" or the "Ancestor of God"?</i><br /><br />That's how we call him (and other forefathers of the Lord according to the flesh). And we call James the brother of God. (So, yes, we're pretty consistent, as You can see).Luciannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-15551102650796365362009-12-24T09:51:41.707-06:002009-12-24T09:51:41.707-06:00I have a problem with it, but I'm not prepared...I have a problem with it, but I'm not prepared to say it's the devil. It's just that "Christotokos" and "Mary, mother of CHRIST" are FAR more correct and helpful, and less dangerous.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-25423021834827314272009-12-24T01:56:31.962-06:002009-12-24T01:56:31.962-06:00As a protestant myself, I'm not sure the logic...As a protestant myself, I'm not sure the logical syllogisms necessarily work the way they are being stated, since the qualification of God being triune is being discarded in at least the first premise. The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God. The Father is not the Son or the Holy Spirit, the Son is not the Holy Spirit or the Father, and the Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son. Jesus is God the Son and Mary is the Mother of Jesus, who is God. Mary is the mother of God. It's not a comprehensive statement, since God is triune (Mary is not the mother of the Father or the Holy Spirit), but it is also not incorrect in what it conveys. It is also historically accepted almost universally to call Mary the Theotokos. I'm with RC Sproul. I don't think there's a problem in calling her that.bossmanhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14787721955360743058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-58257409198599049722009-12-23T21:36:09.752-06:002009-12-23T21:36:09.752-06:00Um...we call David the ancestor of God all the tim...Um...we call David the ancestor of God all the time. Along with Mary's parents, Joachim and Anna.<br /><br />So, yeah.Fr. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03489705490983833993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-67821946405977882222009-12-22T14:22:09.873-06:002009-12-22T14:22:09.873-06:00John,
Your assertion is patently false. It is ra...John,<br /><br />Your assertion is patently false. It is rather the "non-Protestant logic" which leads to this kind of argument. I have demonstrated this point and thoroughly refuted this assertion of yours <a href="http://unavoxveritatis.blogspot.com/2009/12/if-mary-is-mother-of-god.html?showComment=1261169476144#c3916772366061418499" rel="nofollow">here</a>. So, how about interacting with our arguments themselves, instead of repeatedly throwing out unsustainable assertions?Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17321272184376541252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13358611.post-26288056376604636402009-12-21T17:35:12.122-06:002009-12-21T17:35:12.122-06:00The exact same logic leads to:
1. Jesus is God
2....The exact same logic leads to:<br /><br />1. Jesus is God<br />2. God is a trinity.<br />3. Therefore, Jesus is a trinity.<br /><br />If you can cope with saying Jesus is God, there is no logical reason to object to Jesus being the Mother of God.<br /><br />Probably until protestants can grasp this simple fact, they will continue to get this accusation.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02977287092917957220noreply@blogger.com