Potty Mouth Law Student strikes back

Potty Mouth Law Student
Rhology is spewing his nonsense when he lacks any kind of knowledge of the gov. I stated "Religion should not be in our schools nor our government. Rhology stated "Thankfully, the Founding Fathers disagreed heartily." This is the most absurd thing i have ever read. Rhology many of our founding fathers were not Christian and many of them despised religion. Thomas Jefferson "“The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites.” I have many more to post. They knew the dangers of religion and wanted a gov free of it. But were not against people choosing a religion to belong to. Religion does not belong within our government. Per the Establishment Clause of the constitution the congress as a whole cannot pick a religion for the country. Also the mentioning of god in the pledge of allegiance and on the dollar bill were not of our founding fathers doing and they are probably turning in their grave because of it. Religion has no place in our government and i am glad it is slowly moving its way out. Hence now homosexuals can now be open and gay marriage in some states. You should read and comprehend the treaty of tripoli. Treaty of Trioli "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,". The United States Constitution serves as the law of the land for America and indicates the intent of our Founding Fathers. The Constitution forms a secular document, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity, Jesus, or any supreme being. This bulls*t was added later well to the dollar bill and some states are writing that crap into their state constitution.


Rhology
‎\\Rhology many of our founding fathers were not Christian and many of them despised religion.\\

I know SOME of them were not Christian. Most were, however.
Very few of them despised "religion". I'd be interested in seeing ANY evidence that ANY of them "despised" "religion" (keeping in mind that religion is far more general than Christianity).

Jefferson's criticism of the God of the Bible doesn't get close to proving that he despised religion. It just means he disliked the God of the Bible. You have a lot farther to go to substantiate your irresponsible assertion.

\\They knew the dangers of religion and wanted a gov free of it.\\

This is easily proven false. Potty Mouth Law Student is simply repeating what she's heard from historically-ignorant liberals at her school (which failed to teach her to reason non-fallaciously, sadly).
http://www.amazon.com/The-Death-Man-Decline-Liberty/dp/1615078959/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1336752894&sr=8-1

\\the mentioning of god in the pledge of allegiance and on the dollar bill were not of our founding fathers doing and they are probably turning in their grave because of i\\

How about in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence? I suppose the mentions of God and Jesus appeared there by magic?

\\Treaty of Trioli\\

The above-cited book deals at length with this Treaty, showing that your misinterpretation is no good.

\\The Constitution forms a secular document, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity, Jesus, or any supreme being.\

What does "appeal to" mean? Depending on the way you're using the word, I might agree. I wouldn't agree that it matters a great deal, however. I'm not claiming America was founded as a Christian nation. Its most principal influence was always Christianity, and *states* could be Christian, but that's not the same thing.


Potty Mouth Law Student
You stated the founding fathers. You were incorrect... this country was not founding on the premise of religion. Your book is from a unreliable source. I go by the constitution. Sorry.
the Declaration of Independence does not represent any law of the United States. It came before the establishment of our lawful government (the Constitution). So your point again is moot.
Also the fact that some were religious doesn't take away from the fact they wanted separation of church and office.


Rhology
‎\\You were incorrect... this country was not founding on the premise of religion\\

NOw you're changing your claim from what you said before. You're disingenuous. Just say "I was wrong" and own it. You're acting like you don't care about the truth. Unsurprising.

\\the Declaration of Independence does not represent any law of the United States. It came before the establishment of our lawful government (the Constitution). So your point again is moot.\\

Neither does the pledge of allegiance, or "IN God we Trust" on our money. You fail again.
Oh, and what about the Constitution? Does that "not represent any law of the USA"?

\\the fact that some were religious doesn't take away from the fact they wanted separation of church and office.\\

Again you move the goalposts.
Arguing with you is like taking candy from a very profane baby.


Potty Mouth Law Student 
Are you name calling? You know in a debate attack the argument not the person. This country was not founded on religion, YOU were wrong. You need to own it. Sorry if I upset you, i just proved my argument. ;-)


Rhology
I know you don't want to read the book, but I cited it b/c it cites tons of Founding Father documents, showing that you're wrong about them. Deal with its material and show that you're intellectually honest. Refuse to acknowledge it, sight unseen, and prove yet again you're intellectually dishonest.

Rhology
 What are you talking about?

Rhology 
Do you really not get that when text appears between two sets of \\, I'm quoting you?

Potty Mouth Law Student
Directly quote the actual document. I have it right here.. well a copy that my lovely con law professor provided us a copy of. ;-) I would suggest you read up on the establishment clause, and understand the DOI as compared to the constitution the supreme law of the land. You seem confused.
 ‎"The Declaration of Independence states that we are free and independent form the British, our former rulers. Our nation no longer depends on the British people. The document declares our independence. The Constitution of the United States says what we as a nation follow and it has the Bill of Rights in there which states our basic rights in this country." The DOI is not the same as the constitution.


Rhology
‎\\I would suggest you read up on the establishment clause\\

You mean the one that says "Congress shall make no law" and has nothing to do with states? Or individual people trying to lobby for and enact laws that are rooted in their personal moral stances? Yeah, I'm familiar with that one.

Article VII: "Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the ****Year of our Lord**** one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth"

Hmm, I wonder who "our Lord" is?

And no, I don't see. Try writing like you're writing a paper for one of your classes, and less like an ADHD-riddled 5th grader.

Rhology
 ‎\\The DOI is not the same as the constitution.\\

Never said it was. You didn't address yet my criticism of your point. Any time now.


Potty Mouth Law Student
OMG provide the whole quote.. also there is a thing called preemption and the supremacy clause. State law cannot contradict or conflict with federal law. Rhology you make this too easy for me.. the term lord means A titled nobleman. Again insults, how about you provide a good argument instead of insulting. See that is what people do when defeated.


Potty Mouth Law Student
Meaning Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. Remember you brought up the founding fathers... stay on subject.


Rhology
‎\\State law cannot contradict or conflict with federal law.\\

How would a state law contradict "Congress shall make no law"? I suppose if a state law were passed that attempted to force Congress to pass such a law. Think, Potty Mouth Law Student.

\\the term lord means A titled nobleman\\

Oh, OK. Let's try it. See if it fits.
Article VII: "Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the ****Year of our titled nobleman**** one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth"

Yeah, that fits great.

Potty Mouth Law Student
 Rhology, you provided a quote from the DOI in a constitution argument. They have nothing to do with one another. The constitution is the supreme law of the land, and when created they wanted to keep church and office separate. You're having issues with staying on track. Hope this helps.


Rhology
 ‎\\you provided a quote from the DOI in a constitution argument. \\

Wrong again. Check the context of when I said it.

 ‎\\Meaning Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion\\

NEver argued differenty. It doesn't appear you're even understanding me. It's a pattern with you, which I attribute mostly to sheer emotion and the bluster you seem to engage in all the time.


Potty Mouth Law Student 
Rhology you mad bruh? Thanks Rhology I think my job is done here. Next time you want to debate bring your A game and assure next time you know what you are talking about before you say it.. ;-)