@DrMichaelLBrown And you will not have the presence of God where a false Gospel and a false Christ is preached either. #Hagin #copeland
— Bjørn Storm (@bjornole777) October 15, 2013
@bjornole777 Of course! (I'll not comment on the names but I totally affirm your comment. 100%)
— Dr. Michael L. Brown (@DrMichaelLBrown) October 15, 2013
@bjornole777 But @DrMichaelLBrown you just protested to me that you've called out abuses faithfully. Copeland is a WoF heretic. Not comment?
— Rhology (@Rhology) October 16, 2013
@Rhology @bjornole777 I've wrote against the carnal prosperity teaching in 1990 & always denounced "the Jesus died in hell" stuff.
— Dr. Michael L. Brown (@DrMichaelLBrown) October 16, 2013
@DrMichaelLBrown @bjornole777 Great to hear. Since Copeland taught both of those things, why not comment on the NAME? That he is a heretic?
— Rhology (@Rhology) October 16, 2013
@bjornole777 Why not drop it, brother, and prepare to spend eternity with Kenneth Hagin. This is honestly becoming obnoxious.
— Dr. Michael L. Brown (@DrMichaelLBrown) October 16, 2013
@DrMichaelLBrown How can u say that hagin was a christian? He went to heaven, got Revelation directly from Jesus, preached a false Gospel
— Bjørn Storm (@bjornole777) October 16, 2013
@Rhology @JoshElsom @Creflo_Dollar I renounced Dollar's carnal prosperity message & explained why I read the letter. Don't misrepresent.
— Dr. Michael L. Brown (@DrMichaelLBrown) October 16, 2013
@Rhology @JoshElsom @Creflo_Dollar As for Dollar's teachings, I've listened to only a few sentences from him, and that's what I renounce.
— Dr. Michael L. Brown (@DrMichaelLBrown) October 16, 2013
@Rhology @JoshElsom @Creflo_Dollar It's a shame that you're not spending hours correcting Pastor MacArthur for the way he says things. :)
— Dr. Michael L. Brown (@DrMichaelLBrown) October 16, 2013
@DrMichaelLBrown @JoshElsom Pastor MacA doesn't hem and haw about calling heretics heretics, brother.
— Rhology (@Rhology) October 16, 2013
I can't help but comment on the way Dr Brown has gone about this. Perhaps he is so focused on one aspect of the Strange Fire-flavored criticism of charismaticism in the world today that he has entirely missed another extremely important aspect. Yet in his radio show yesterday, he found plenty of time to rebut John MacArthur's claim that Word of Faith theology has widely invaded charismatic circles, expressing incredulity at such a thing.
Two things are quite telling here:
1) Dr Brown has been "in the movement for 42 years" and he is unaware of the massive evidence weighing against Creflo Dollar's doctrinal orthodoxy and against the idea that he is even regenerate, given his money-grubbing and his abusive behavior? Dr Brown has only read a few lines from this man? Dollar is one of the foremost tongues-talking men in the entire world. Certainly he's better known than Dr Brown is (which is, I hasten to add, a tragedy and a shame). Word of Faith and charismaticism have been hand in hand in many, many respects for decades now. I saw plenty of that when I was in my teens and early twenties, in the late 90s and early noughts. How has it escaped Dr Brown's notice?
Given that he addressed the issue directly on his show yesterday, he can't be unaware of the criticism. He is treading ever so close to negligence here. If he wants to be a spokesman for the defense of the spectacular sign gifts over and against Strange Fire types, and he doesn't even know why people call men like Creflo Dollar gross heretics, what does that say about his willingness to be thorough and fair in this area?
2)
@bjornole777 Why not drop it, brother, and prepare to spend eternity with Kenneth Hagin. This is honestly becoming obnoxious.
— Dr. Michael L. Brown (@DrMichaelLBrown) October 16, 2013
Spend eternity with Kenneth Hagin? The one who thought Jesus was the first person to be born again? The same one who had pornographic visions? Who thinks God operates on faith? Will we be doing this together?
This is precisely what I was getting at in my tweets directed toward Dr Brown. He can warn us all he wants about those who condemn the godly along with heretics (which begs the question in his favor). What of those who negligently allow wolves into the flock?
On another note, his expressions of incredulity certainly seem strange to me, I must say. Dr Brown acts as if he doesn't know what I'm talking about.
@DrMichaelLBrown @charisma_news I find it VERY difficult to believe you've never seen people barking like dogs "in the Spirit". VERY.
— Rhology (@Rhology) October 15, 2013
@Rhology @charisma_news You've got to be joking.
— Dr. Michael L. Brown (@DrMichaelLBrown) October 15, 2013
@DrMichaelLBrown @charisma_news 1:00 mark, sir. http://t.co/5iN9HuHBXO
While I haven't seen barking, I've seen howling like dogs in my day.
— Rhology (@Rhology) October 15, 2013
@DrMichaelLBrown @charisma_news I'm not sure what u gain by sweeping these serious excesses under the rug. Just own them. Say they're wrong.
— Rhology (@Rhology) October 15, 2013
@Rhology @charisma_news If I saw them I would address them, but why major on something so utterly obscure?
— Dr. Michael L. Brown (@DrMichaelLBrown) October 15, 2013
@DrMichaelLBrown @charisma_news Dear brother, if u want 2 address the #strangefire ppl, u need to help them understand WHY it's unimportant.
— Rhology (@Rhology) October 15, 2013
@DrMichaelLBrown @charisma_news It looks crazy to #strangefire ppl when you don't condemn such ridiculous and widespread acts. Obscure? No.
— Rhology (@Rhology) October 15, 2013
@Rhology NOT widespread. Please.
— Dr. Michael L. Brown (@DrMichaelLBrown) October 15, 2013
@DrMichaelLBrown I've seen plenty when I was charismatic 1994-2000. To hear you say it's not widespread is simply silly to me.
— Rhology (@Rhology) October 15, 2013
@Rhology I've been in the movement for 42 years & have ministered overseas more than 130 trips. Your experience appears different than mine.
— Dr. Michael L. Brown (@DrMichaelLBrown) October 15, 2013
@DrMichaelLBrown That's fine.Since OTHERS have seen the things I'm talking about, why imply these things don't happen? Why not just condemn?
— Rhology (@Rhology) October 15, 2013
@HacimMb @Rhology What was very common? People barking like dogs? Please! I'll continue to rebuke error & excess, & I'll welcome the Spirit.
— Dr. Michael L. Brown (@DrMichaelLBrown) October 15, 2013
@DrMichaelLBrown So presumably you'll no longer imply that doesn't happen, in #strangefire-flavored convos? B/c that's exactly what you did.
— Rhology (@Rhology) October 15, 2013
@Rhology Honestly, I have no idea what you're speaking about, but here's one of my shows on abuses: http://t.co/k9hdlnrEcr
— Dr. Michael L. Brown (@DrMichaelLBrown) October 15, 2013
I am glad to hear Dr Brown doesn't remember seeing such abused and twisted "manifestations" of the Holy Spirit during his time. I do find it highly implausible that he could be in the movement 42 years full time and he didn't see anything like that, whereas I saw plenty like that in only 6 years as a part-timer. Was he just slain in the Spirit all those times? Was he flailing around on the floor?
Let's just say I've seen enough from Dr Brown to give me plenty of misgivings about his objectivity and the quality of his discernment in this matter.
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