Alexandra and accusations of lying

In which someone posts on the AHA page, says a bunch of nonsense, then reveals herself to be nothing more than a troll.

Alexandra Stone
‎Abolish Human Abortion

10 hrs · 

We have had both T. Russell and Toby on our page recently. They are both cowards. They both lie. They acknowledge that your group is made up of many criminals who have had their children removed from their homes, all while trying to control women. They fight churches and communities with no thought of a reconciliation. Why work with people when they can get press and money for being liars? And, most importantly, they have admitted that this is not a charity. All money for merchandise or donations goes to them. Directly to them. No rules applied. Love the sheep that accept this. Good luck to you idiots!

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  Rhology @Alexandra Stone, this is a very serious set of accusations. I am part of the same church that Toby and Russell are, and if what you are saying is true, I would very much like to call them in front of the church and rebuke and discipline them for their lies. Lies are not fit for the mouths of those who claim to serve Jesus, and Jesus is not pleased with those who lie. The Bible says that all liars will have their part in the lake of fire, and because I love Toby and Russell I want them to repent of whatever lies they have told so that they may perhaps escape the lake of fire and find forgiveness. 
  Please provide evidence of these lies so that we may examine the situation more closely. Thank you.

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  Rhology Just a couple of other things also, since the truth is so important, as it clearly is to you:
  
  \\They acknowledge that your group is made up of many criminals\\
  
  I'm afraid you've misunderstood quite a lot. 
  1) AHA is not a "group". 
  2) My particular abolitionist society, as well as the one of which Russell and Toby are a part, has exactly one convicted criminal - Toby - and Toby makes no secret of his past sin and of his repentance of that past sin. His life is totally different than his past sinful way of living, and it has been for many years. 
  3) You may be thinking of other repentant criminals who call themselves abolitionists, like Michael Plaisted and Jered Ragon. That makes three total, but you said "many". I'm not sure what you could mean. Four or five out of hundreds isn't exactly "many". 
  4) Michael and Jered are also open about their past sin and their repentance and rejection of that past lifestyle, just as Toby is. I don't understand why you would try to use this as a rebuke of abolitionists or abolition. Did you know that Jesus Christ forgives repentant sinners and washes them clean? 
  
  \\who have had their children removed from their homes\\
  
  I can think of three people who call themselves abolitionists of whom this is possibly descriptive. One of them is currently deep in sin against other abolitionists, and I have publicly rebuked them for it. Another has done no abolitionist work in over two years, and another for over one year. I'm not sure to what you refer. 
  
  \\all while trying to control women\\
  
  I'm afraid I have no idea what this could mean. Why does proclamation of Jesus as Lord and the reiteration of His law against murder equal controlling women? Help me out, please. 
  
  \\They fight churches\\
  
  I'm afraid I don't know what this means, either. If you mean that abolitionists call churches that are sin to repentance, well, it's true we do that, but that's not fighting. That's loving. Please read the New Testament. 
  
  \\most importantly, they have admitted that this is not a charity.\\
  
  Well, that's right. I'm unsure why you seem to think this is a problem. 
  
  \\All money for merchandise or donations goes to them. Directly to them. No rules applied. \\
  
  I hate to break it to you, but that sentence applies to charitable organisations as well. And the rules that apply are those that apply to running for-profit businesses, so the AHA Gear store has to run its business transactions honestly and forthrightly and provide the agreed-upon goods or services in exchange for whatever payment the customer pays. 
  This isn't rocket surgery, Alexandra. I'm really afraid that your blind hatred of what we stand for is leading you to all sorts of unfair and wicked statements. Please back up, repent, breathe, and examine us in fairness. Feel free to ask any questions you want. I will answer them openly and honestly, as long as they are reasonable and don't, for example, pry into things which you have no business knowing like deeply personal matters or something.

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  Maddie Davis What page is it that they're commenting on?

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  Maddie Davis Rocket surgery....lol.

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  Rebecca Wood ....so you really put all the money you make back into your own pockets?
  
  I did not know that. Why aren't you donating to charities that help pregnant women or something?

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  Rhology Rebecca Wood Thanks for the opportunity to clarify. The answer is no - the Gear store actually puts virtually all its "profits" back into making more gear. The goal of the store is to seed the culture and aid abolitionists. 
  
  \\Why aren't you donating to charities that help pregnant women or something?\\
  
  We talk about that fairly often. 
  1) Most charities collude with enemies of the Gospel. 
  2) Tons of them will go with pragmatic interests instead of being faithful to the Word of God. 
  3) A 501c3 status is highly morally problematic. 
  4) People ought not to pay a third party to love their neighbor for them, whether it's individuals paying or churches paying. 
  5) And these charities enable that sort of thing, because it's a major part of their ability to exist. 
  
  Everyone ought to be contributing to their churches and their churches ought to be sacrificially loving people in need, not paying someone else to do it for them while they comfortably pursue the latest and greatest lights and video equipment.

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  Gideon Athenagoras Alexandra Stone,
  
  When people who are wrong realize that they are wrong and have no ability to prove themselves right or convince others to be wrong with them they turn to just bold faced lies and accusation. 
  
  When people cannot answer the questions of their opponents or defend what they believe in the face of critical opposition, they turn to slandering their opponents in hopes that people will just be led away from the truth by their lies.
  
  This is what you are doing right now.
  
  Its weak and pathetic and any body with any sense at all sees right through it.

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  Alexandra Stone "convince others to be wrong with them they turn to just bold faced lies and accusation. "

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  Alexandra Stone Except Rho unwittingly just backed up everything I said.

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  Rhology \\Except Rho unwittingly just backed up everything I said.\\
  
  What are you talking about?

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  Rhology Alexandra - evidence please. You made an accusation. Please provide your evidence.

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  Alexandra Stone Other than the bizarre semantics of "group", he has verified that there are multiple criminals, verified that they take the money and spend it how they wish, etc.

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  Alexandra Stone "We talk about that fairly often.
  1) Most charities collude with enemies of the Gospel.
  2) Tons of them will go with pragmatic interests instead of being faithful to the Word of God.
  3) A 501c3 status is highly morally problematic.
  4) People ought not to pay a third party to love their neighbor for them, whether it's individuals paying or churches paying.
  5) And these charities enable that sort of thing, because it's a major part of their ability to exist.
  
  Everyone ought to be contributing to their churches and their churches ought to be sacrificially loving people in need, not paying someone else to do it for them while they comfortably pursue the latest and greatest lights and video equipment."
  
  As for this cop-out, I call balderdash. And it is topped with the point that people should give to the church. Gee, what tax exempt status do many churches have?

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  Alexandra Stone Ah, the "morally problematic" one. Good for the church, but not good enough for AHA.

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  Rhology \\ he has verified that there are multiple criminals\\
  
  Not in "our group", though. So you're wrong there. 
  
  \\verified that they take the money and spend it how they wish\\
  
  I didn't say that either. I said what I said and anyone can read it. 
  Alexandra, I'm getting the feeling you're not engaging in good faith here. Please provide the evidence that Russell and Toby lied. False accusations like that are against our page rules, so please provide the evidence or you will be banned.

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  Alexandra Stone Nice try, Rho. You are right, anyone can read it.

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  Rhology \\As for this cop-out, I call balderdash\\
  
  Why?
  
  \\And it is topped with the point that people should give to the church. Gee, what tax exempt status do many churches have?\\
  
  1) Not to "the church". I don't even know what "the church" means. Which church? There are good ones and bad ones. 
  2) The astute reader will note that I obviously don't think churches ought to be 501c3. Why else would I say "A 501c3 status is highly morally problematic"?
  
  \\Ah, the "morally problematic" one. Good for the church, but not good enough for AHA.\\
  
  This makes zero sense. Nowhere have any of us said that we think churches ought to be 501c3. We frequently say the exact opposite. And that's why no abolitionist society or group is 501c3. 
  I don't know what's unclear about this, for those who want to see the truth.

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  Rhology Alexandra, since you're obviously also watching this thread closely right now, I must insist you provide your evidence BEFORE you post anything else. 
  Fair enough?

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  Rebecca Wood Oh. So only people that believe in God deserve help.
  
  I understand now.

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  Rhology \\So only people that believe in God deserve help.\\
  
  Rebecca Wood Blatant misrepresentation and word-twisting like that are otherwise known as "trolling" and violate our page rules. Do not do so again or you will be banned.

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  Rebecca Wood Why doesn't AHA donate it's money to it's church of choice that it trusts so that it can be given to people that need help? 
  
  You aren't selling your T-shirts at cost. There is profit being made. If you want to end abortion so badly, why not help the pregnant women in need so they don't feel they need abortion? 
  
  Is spreading your message THAT much more important than saving a preborn child?

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  Alexandra Stone Sorry, Rho, unlike your sheep I don't follow your orders. Feel free to block me. I have found that is generally what this page does with truth and dissent. And ask your "brothers" about their lies. Although, based on their track record, I wouldn't expect a full accounting.

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  Alexandra Stone "So only people that believe in God deserve help.'
  
  Unless you are Catholic, lol!

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  Rhology \\Why doesn't AHA donate it's money to it's church of choice that it trusts so that it can be given to people that need help? \\
  
  AHA doesn't have any money, since AHA is an ideology and not a group or organisation. Please pay attention. 
  If you're asking about individual abolitionist societies or whatever, ask each one. In the case of the AbSoc of Norman, we don't know any churches in our area that we would entrust with that, and there's only 30 of us, so we use the resources we have to directly help women. 
  Why would we outsource loving our neighbor to someone else?
  
  \\You aren't selling your T-shirts at cost.\\
  
  1) Actually, recently they HAVE been doing just that. 
  2) Nowhere has anyone claimed that the store is non-profit. It has to make some money to invest in creating new resources. 
  
  \\why not help the pregnant women in need so they don't feel they need abortion?\\
  
  We do. It must be so embarrassing to keep saying false things instead of asking for the actual facts of the matter so you can make an informed and fair judgment.

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  Rhology \\ unlike your sheep I don't follow your orders. Feel free to block me.\\
  
  OK.

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