Friday, May 30, 2008
An evil god
Paul C has thrown out some interesting thoughts on how we'd know it if the God of the Bible were actually evil. I had asked him 5 questions and he has responded.
This vein of argumentation is very similar to the ridiculous arguments fronted by the Pastafarians and even recently on the Jolly Nihilist's blog, where he plugs the Ethereal Cosmic Catfish. I've got a post on that topic rattling around in my head right now, but here's this for now:
Hi Paul C,
Kudos for originality. But demerits for changing the argument.
You are proposing an entirely alternative worldview, one that you made up ad hoc. Automatically, ad hoc worldviews get very little credit, and especially when they are so vaguely and poorly defined as what you have here. You clearly haven't even thought halfway thru this.
Also, you're not even proposing it; you're just arguing from the desire to be argumentative, much like the Church of the FSM. Lame. Defend your OWN worldview. Oh wait, you can't; never mind.
My FP is that TGOTB lives and is not silent. You're asking me, thus, whether The God of Not The Bible lives. No, he doesn't. And one can't pretend like this is part of my worldview, which you are doing.
1) I'm not suffering. In fact, I have a great deal of joy.
Why would I despair when I have so many good things in life already? He has given me a huge amount of blessings.
2) Is it you who are claiming that life is "unremitting misery"? Fine - that's YOUR view, and I'm sorry to hear it. It must suck to be you.
If the next life is even more atrocious and miserable, then why believe that God is evil at all? What good does it do? It's like atheism - if atheism is true, it is completely irrelevant to life. It makes 0 difference. None. Nada. There is NO existential or compelling reason to believe atheism is true if atheism is true. There is no reason to seek for true belief if atheism is true.
3) Based on what do you assert that humans have an "infinite capacity for suffering"? Your ad hoc, made-up worldview again?
And how do you know all this?
Also, since this deity is so evil, please explain how you could be sure that you knew the truth about him. Unless you believe seeking truth is intrinsically evil; in which case, one wonders why you're even arguing.
4) I said: How would you define "good" if God were evil?
Subjectively, which is exactly the same way we would define "good" if God were good or if God did not exist.
Facts not in evidence. The former assertion has been disproven over and over again. Although I *am* very glad to see that you agree with me that, on atheism, "good" is defined subjectively, at its base. I won't forget that.
5) Atheism is NOT a viable option if what you're saying is true.
You need practice on this critiquing presuppositions stuff. You have alluvasudden switched back to who you really are - atheist Paul C - rather than continue to defend your fantasy worldview. That's OK - that's what I'm here for. Hopefully you'll take this as a useful lesson.