See if you can count how many challenges and rebuttals he leaves unanswered or simply dismisses and ignores. This is the prevalent attitude with these quasi-papists.
- Larry Bray Toby Harmon, you go out preaching the gospel....and yet you are not an Elder...please show me in Scripture where someone other than an Elder is called to preach.
Larry Bray If God has appointed Elders for His Church...and if Elders are to "oversee" the things of the Church, then how can you justify not having Elders in your church?
Venchenza Settles Hey Larry Bray, I'm out at the mills sharing the Gospel with women who came to kill their child. Because I'm not an elder (which is not biblical in anyway shape or form....) does that mean I shouldn't be doing that? I'm asking...- Larry Bray The great commission was not given to the general disciples of Christ but to the Apostles only. This is evidence enough that all Christians are not called to preach.
- Larry Bray Venchenza Settles, all are called to share the Gospel, but that is much different from preaching.
Rho Logy Larry Bray,
With all due respect, brother, please let me correct these things.
\\Scripture says that we ought not cease from preaching: Act 5:42 And every day, in the temple and from house to house, they did not cease teaching and preaching that the Christ is Jesus.\\
Citing what happenED in Acts as a prescription for today is an exegetical fallacy.
\\Toby's church says that they have no Elders or Deacons:\\
They don't have one NOW. They DID until that elder admitted he was unfit and left the church.
There were three churches and other examples in Acts that didn't have elders, too.
\\Scripture says that we are to have elders in every church:
Tit 1:5 This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you--\\
But don't you see that you need to prove that Paul meant to talk to everyone and not just Titus in that?
\\A true Church has historically been defined as one that\\
With all due respect, was the church at Laodicaea a true or false church?
Why does Jesus call them a true church?
Also, push back 500 years - someone could have told Martin Luther that "A true Church has historically been defined as one that submits to the Pope" or something.
\\It is impossible to rightly preach the word if they have no sermons and no Elders to preach.\\
But how do you know that?
\\It is impossible to rightly carry out discipline when there is no ecclesiastical authority invested in the Elders.\\
Elders are mentioned ZERO times in all of the NT's church discipline passages.
ZERO.
\\And it is impossible to rightly administer the sacraments apart from Elders administering them.\\
Please demonstrate from the NT that the sacraments were ONLY administered by elders.
Why did Philip baptise the eunuch in Acts 8? He was a proto-deacon.
\\The great commission was not given to the general disciples of Christ but to the Apostles only. This is evidence enough that all Christians are not called to preach.\\
That is not true.
Look at Luke 24. It was more than the apostles.
Acts 1 - same deal.
Also, the apostles are all dead. You don't believe in apostolic succession, do you?
\\This is evidence enough that all Christians are not called to preach.\\
What does "called" mean, here, and what NT passages use that language that way?
