One on the 1st post on abortion and one on the 2nd.
I'll post my comments here, just for the heck of it. I don't like these arguments to go unchallenged. G-man, Gamelot, and/or anyone else are of course welcome to comment. I don't moderate my comboxes.
you can change your mind.
The woman can change her mind too as long as she doesn't commit murder to do so.
It's not like pregnancy lasts forever, you know. She doesn't have to get pregnant again if she doesn't want to.
He can survive as an autonomous individual. The same cannot be said of unborn fetuses.
You mean the man can survive if the things that keep him alive are not removed. Same could be said of babies in the womb.
Well don't you like to paint things in 3 coats of drama.
Dude, it's not ME arguing that it should be OK to murder babies.
The difference between a grown human and a fetus in terms of feelings and actually caring about life is approximately the same as the difference between a grown human and a stump of wood.
And you know this how?
That's not very scientific of you - how many unborn babies have you interviewed? Oh, you can't communicate w/ them? OK, just give the OK to kill them. We'll just give death the benefit of the doubt.
And all of a sudden to be a human being worthy of protection is by what you DO? You better hope you're never in a deep sleep and someone comes up to you w/ the same thinking processes. If you don't respond to the first few greetings, you may find yourself dead. Same thing.
testing still confirms that a fetus is unable to experience pain until the 20th week of pregnancy, after which point just 0.014% of abortions take place in America.
Wow, where did these testers learn to interview unborn babies?
Again, note how "being human" = "DOING something".
If you weren't so intent on portraying me as some inhuman bastard
It's not my fault you insist on murdering babies. You're acting like I'm blackmailing you to argue for abortion.
Neo's waking moment in the Matrix where he's discovered that his body was being used, against his will
Neo didn't have irresponsible sex and then regret the consequences.
Neo's situation was permanent barring his disconnection and flight. The inconvenience of pregnancy need only last 9 months.
no matter how 'irresponsible' and no matter how much you'd like people to pay for their irresponsibility.
What I'd like is for people to stop murdering babies and then justifying it w/ lame, pathetic arguments like yours.
Actually, legislating something IS a statement for or against the morality of an action. Tattoos are legal - the state has pronounced that it has no moral problem w/ tattooing. Prostitution is ILlegal - the state has pronounced that it has a moral problem w/ it.
Abortion is legal - the state doesn't care if you murder people, just under certain conditions.
And you ask a great question about WHEN the baby is of murdering age. What about 1 month after birth? 1 day after? 1 minute after? 1 minute before? 1 hour before? 1 day before? 1 week before? 1 month before? 2 months before?
Ask anyone who is pro-death and they'll give you some arbitrary answer based on whatever. Then take it back one minute before - suddenly the baby is not human anymore, 1 minute before? The willful idiocy can be amazing.
I remind you that the question is WHEN the baby is human. Most everyone agrees that murdering innocent humans is wrong, so when the baby is human is the best question one can ask in this debate.