Thomas, one of the Atheist Experience guys, has taken an honest stab at answering the questions raised by me two posts ago. It's really more of the same, though hopefully it will lead him and his readers to a better understanding of the huge problems they face.
Let's keep our eye on the ball here. They have made arguments against the biblical worldview based on moral condemnations: "The OT Law is so horrible as to allow ____", "How could such a 'loving' God send people to hell?" That sort of thing. I have challenged their ability, as holders of an atheist worldview, to make ANY judgment as to right OR wrong beyond personal preference. They are struggling to respond.
they are not always objective. I think I was wrong when I argued that they were
Very well; I'll make sure to keep that in mind.
subjectivity does not negate a concept.
Agreed, but it limits its applicability and proscriptive power.
You'll note that I defined what I meant by the "objectivity" of the biblical morality, its scope, its applicability, whom it judges, how it judges, etc.
If 99% of the world defines "water" in a certain way, then the word has a definition.
True, but take "green" for example. It can mean
1) a color that is a blend of blue and yellow
2) environmentally conscious
3) political activist to favor less pollution
4) political activist to favor less pollution who goes way too far
5) a color of face expressing envy
6) a color of face demonstrating seasickness
etc. So it's both.
morality is a concept that describes equitable treatment toward one's fellow man.
Here's where the subjectivity comes into play.
I don't recognise your right or ability to make this pronouncement as if you were the Pope of Morality. I know you don't consider yourself to be such, so I wonder how you get off saying this.
So you're not making an authoritative pronouncement.
Are you trying to recognise what morality is to most people?
1) When did "most people" get together and make this judgment?
2) How did they do so? Did they take a vote?
3) What's "most"? 50.1% 60%?
4) How do you know either way?
And of course some people enjoy suffering.
And still others enjoy inflicting suffering on others.
So we have 3 choices. How do you know which one is correct?
Morality is about understanding the underlying fears and motivations common to all individuals, and helping each other to deal with the negative, while promoting the positive.
This is begging the question. You're trying to define good/bad, positive/negative; you can't appeal to them to define them.
To define those as preference is like stating that a car prefers to drink gasoline and not be smashed with a sledgehammer.
Bad illustration - cars don't prefer anything.
If you mean that humans "run" better with one morality than with another, you're begging the question again as regards what "runs better" means. Does running better refer to treating others gently? Making lots of money? Conquering the world? Becoming fat? How do you know either way?
If you look at the definition used by the majority of the world, including individuals from all faiths, as well as those with none, then they have defined the morality concept in a similar way.
1) This is easily explained by a biblical understanding. God put that there.
2) So what? The extreme majority of people who have ever lived have believed in the supernatural; that doesn't mean you think you should follow them in that, do you?
As for the question of someone with a different definition, well, you are entitled to disagree, within limits.
Who sets those limits?
trying to redefine those standards is like trying to convince others that the number 3 should come after 4, or that "water" should mean "pizza".
You're confusing IS with OUGHT. 3 comes after 4, mathematically. Morality is not reducible to mathematical equations.
And "water" to "pizza" is not as far as you are saying, so I think this is another bad example. See my "green" illustration above. Shoot, in the US (I don't know if you live in the US or not), lots of people use the word "bad" to mean something positive or great.
So again, thanks for going after it, but you have a long way to go yet. Hopefully you'll be inspired to keep going.