So @dreamspeak decided to show up and talk after all.
I'm glad, honestly; Twitter is not a sufficient forum for discussing difficult topics with any depth.
Perhaps here I could refute your asinine claims more thoroughly than on Twitter
By which you no doubt mean "perhaps here I could start to refute your asinine claims". You didn't do any of that on Twitter.
Just a reminder.
you can declare unilateral victory in your little echo chamber without the benefit of an actual back-and-forth debate
Your amazing blindness to the irony of this statement is stunning.
Did I not invite you numerous times to comment here? Don't be so melodramatic.
Empathy -noun: 1.
the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.
Yes, quite so.
Projection -noun (psychology)
a. the belief, esp in children, that others share one's subjective mental life
Yes, quite so.
Imagining what someone else's experiences might be and realizing that pain inflicted on others is a negative
Whoa whoa whoa, stop right there.
Here you've skipped right past the big question that I've been getting at. You don't seem to get that I want an answer to this, so let me make it easily accessible to you: How do you know that pain inflicted on others is a negative?
is not the same thing as imagining that your desires are the same as everyone else's
How can I or anyone else know the feelings of another, except by comparing it to one's own feelings?
It's identification with the feelings of another.
Anyway, without your connecting the dots between "inflicted pain" and "negative"/"morally wrong", this goes nowhere for you.
It's the difference between seeing someone in pain and knowing what that feels like and wishing FOR THAT PERSON to feel no pain versus thinking everyone thinks the way you do and perceives the world the way you do.
The funny thing is, as I pointed out, you do the exact same thing in imagining that most ppl think about pain the way you do and therefore thinking that you know what's morally correct.
FURTHER; it is important to note that on many levels MOST humans experience the world similarly
You have no idea whether that's true. Where are your exhaustive study and survey results?
I can IDENTIFY in someone else a feeling that I MYSELF would not wish upon them
Hmm, sounds like you're "projecting", and therefore doing exactly what you're criticising in me.
HOWEVER I have never suggested that NO HUMANS EVER have aberrant or abnormal inner lives
Good, now take it to the next step. Deal with the fact that "abnormal" and "aberrant" are merely statistical terms, with no necessary bearing on morality. Connect the dots for us.
How do you know the "normal" is right and the "abnormal" is wrong? So far you've merely begged that question.
which is why I said that it is a COLLECTIVE result of society
You've asserted such, yes, but not given any reason to think it's true or meaningful.
Tkalim's society thinks it's morally obligatory to kidnap, rape, torture, and kill little girls from the nearby city. Presumably you can make no moral objection to that. If you do forward an objection, how are you consistent with what you've just said?
I'd like to know how you know what the contract is; who signed it; if no one signed it, how you know who agreed to it; how one agrees to it; and what % of the population is required before it's a contract? Thanks.
Also, it might do you some good to read this, so as to avoid stepping in even more old cowpies.
the levels of empathy that are required for EVERY level of moral or ethical behavior
Naked assertion. What's the argument?
This is why we condemn the Columbine shooters rather than excuse them.
They were scattering protoplasm. I see no reason to think there was anything wrong with what they did, if atheism is true.
We recognize their behavior as immoral because it causes pain in the victims and survivors that we wish on no one.
Don't say "we" w/o citing your sources.
Say "that *I* wish on no one". But then you need to tell us why we should care what you think.
Neither I would ever suggest that we have a perfect solution
That's a start. The next step is realising you in fact have no solution at all unless you can answer my challenges.