Tuesday, February 07, 2017

Jason Wallace Misrepresents Abolition

Jason Wallace is a religious service provider at an OPC branch in Utah. Unsurprisingly, James White mentioned him specifically as a personal friend in a recent Dividing Line program. In recent social media interactions he has shown himself to be, much like Rich Pierce, a closed-minded sower of division who cares not at all when he willfully misrepresents servants of the living God despite numerous corrections.
Since I'd say the odds favor his eventual deletion of one of the notable threads in which he amply demonstrates his evil thinking, I'll reproduce it here. First, though, his 13 objections to AHA, which will be followed by rebuttals.

UPDATE: Before the fold, though, I'd like to throw in a sideways sigh toward JD Hall, who refers obliquely to this article in his copy+paste of Wallace's 13 points.

He even mentions me specifically and the fact that I criticise the points here, but unsurprisingly doesn't link here so people can evaluate the 13 points and their rebuttals. He does take time to make the assertion that my statement that "Virtually all abolitionists are part of faithful visible churches" is a "laughable inaccuracy", and of course, though he has been corrected on that many times, gives no indication that he cares about correction, truth, or fairness. Nor does he give any evidence that the statement is inaccurate, let alone laughable.
And since JD reads this blog, I will now make another plea to him directly: Jordan, let us be brothers again. You invited me over to your house! You left me alone in your house where I had access to anything I would have wanted to steal or sabotage or whatever you think a dangerous church-hating cultist might do. You called me "closer than a brother" in public not long after, and then less than two months later were tossing me aside in public as a cultist. I guess better a cultist than a jihadist...


AHA Repent

Abolish Human Abortion (AHA) focuses much of its energy on calling churches to repent of “abortion apathy.” It is supposedly not enough for churches to call abortion murder and work for its total elimination; churches are in sin unless they agree with AHA's tactics. It is time AHA is called to repent.

1. If your family is not part of a faithful, visible church, your priority should not be abortion, but getting them in a faithful church (1 Timothy 3:15).
2. If you cannot name the elders to whom you submit (Hebrews 13:17), your priority should be to obey God yourself, rather than seeking excuses not to do so (Matthew 7:5).
3. If you are denouncing churches as guilty of sin without being in covenant with a visible church, you are not a reformer, but a schismatic. Christians are called to avoid you (Titus 3:10).
4. Please stop playing word games (Matthew 5:37). When you are holding signs outside a church accusing them of sin, it is as much a protest as holding signs outside abortion clinics with accusations of sin.
5. Please stop using the horror of abortion to confuse the issue. That is an agreed point with the churches you are protesting; it is your tactics that are the issue.
6. Stop assuming that if people just saw how bad abortion was, they would have to agree with your tactics. Paul Hill used this same approach to ignore criticisms of his shooting abortionists. AHA admits he was wrong on the violence, but uses the same logic to ignore its critics.
7. Please stop demonizing and attacking anyone who disagrees with you. (1 Corinthians 13)
8. Your accusations of “abortion apathy” find no direct support anywhere in the Bible. This “sin” is a perfectionistic implication you draw from unrelated texts.
9. Creating sins over which to accuse others, without clear Scriptural warrant, is Phariseeism (Matthew 15:9).
10. Where in the Old or New Testament do you find anyone attacking churches over “abortion apathy”? You confuse the calls for Israel to use the sword to destroy pagan worship with the church's mandate in the New Testament. You admit that the church's weapons are spiritual, but then hold it to the same immediatism as if they had the sword.
11. Recognize that many of the people who are leading AHA are in rebellion against being accountable to any real church. Don't let them play off your legitimate disgust of abortion to feed your frustration with the church. Perfectionistic schismatics have a long history and will lead you to destruction.
12. If you will not hear any visible church, Jesus says no Christian should count you a brother (Matthew 18:17).
13. AHA needs to stop calling on faithful churches to repent of their made-up sin of “abortion apathy” and repent of their own very real sin of schism.

In answer:

1. Sounds like a good idea in principle. Virtually all abolitionists are part of faithful visible churches or are actively involved trying to help the churches with which they are involved to become faithful.

2. Hebrews 13:17 doesn't have anything to do with elders. Please check the passage and try again.
Also, what is your argument that non-"submission" to elders necessarily entails disobedience to the Scripture? Merely citing Hebrews 13:17 (and twisting it in the process, I might add) is not an argument.

3. Where does the idea of "covenant" with a local church appear in the Scripture?
What is your argument to this effect?
Why can't those outside the visible institution call those inside it to repentance? Does the SOURCE matter or does the MESSAGE matter?

4. It is YOU who are playing word games, for it is up to the person acting to define what he is doing. You don't like what we do so you attach negative-sounding baggage to it. That is disingenuous. It is like an atheist complaining that you do what you do because you "shove religion down others' throats".

5. The issue is our guilt as a nation of silence while child sacrifice continues pretty much unopposed. You dislike our tactics of raising awareness, but your emotional state is not the issue at hand.

6. This doesn't really make sense. What precisely is the objection to the tactics? And we don't make the assumption you said we make. We are trying to obey Eph 5.11 and expose the evil.

7. Where has anyone done that? Have you called them specifically to repentance when they have done so?
Are you not doing that to us right now?

8. So you don't think apathy about rampant sin going on around you is sinful in itself? James 4:10 has nothing to say about it? You don't love others enough to warn them of the wrath to come? Hiding light under bushels? Etc
If it were "perfectionistic", do you mean that we strive to be perfect?
If you mean that we think we are perfect already, then why do we constantly say "repent WITH US"? Why do we rebuke sinless perfectionists when we encounter them?

9. Where have we done that? What examples can you cite?

10. Nobody is attacking churches, so the false premise renders the question invalid.

11. How so? Be specific. Who? How do you know this?

12. Who refuses to hear any visible church? Be specific. How do you know this?

13. AHA is an ideology and ideologies can't "call on" anyone or anything. Agents, like people, do things like that. Ideologies don't.
When you can't even properly categorise the things you're trying to deal with, it gives the reader every reason to dismiss your "points".

The main parts of the thread:

Elizabeth Joy I assemble with the brother in this picture at a visible church in PA.

This entire list is full of slander and things that aren't true.
I can say with certainty they aren't true of this brother or other abolitionists I know and work with.

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Jason Wallace I never said that every AHA supporter was outside a visible church. It is clear that some are not. Would you care to specify the "slander" that "fills" the list? Is your friend really not protesting? Does the AHA not call churches to repent of "abortion apathy"? I note that you use the word "assemble;" do you have specific elders to whom you submit? Is there a specific church to which you have covenanted to listen?
Elizabeth Joy
Elizabeth Joy Brother, I will gladly share these things with you, but I hope it is with the intent to know truth, on your part, and not the intent to argue with me, that you ask.
Elizabeth Joy
Elizabeth Joy //I never said that every AHA supporter was outside a visible church.// it would seem you purport that the ideology leads to this?
//It is clear that some are not.// can you name names, sir? I am aware of no abolitionists who are not in fellowship with the church.

//Would you care to specify the "slander" that "fills" the list? // sure, but that would take a seperate comment, so please bear with me, brother, as I go over the list more thoroughly in another comment.

//Is your friend really not protesting?//
No he is not, he is seeking to encourage, rebuke, exhort, his brothers and sisters in Christ. Something he does just as regularly within our little assembly also. However, he is not sent outside to do so.

//Does the AHA not call churches to repent of "abortion apathy"?//
Abolitionists do. Including myself.
There is no such thing as "The AHA." Abolish Human Abortion is an ideology. If you'd like more information on the 5 tenets and 2 modes of the ideology that abolitionists adopt, I'd be glad to point you in that direction, brother. :)

//I note that you use the word "assemble;" do you have specific elders to whom you submit? Is there a specific church to which you have covenanted to listen?//

Yes, there are elders who guide and lead and teach us. No, there is no membership roll. The covenant we enter into upon salvation is sufficient for our little assembly.
You can learn more about our assembly here:
http://www.independencerbc.org/


The Independence Reformed Bible Church is located in Denver, PA, in Lancaster County.
independencerbc.org
Jason Wallace
Jason Wallace Elizabeth Joy I have no time for the word games that seem to define your movement/ideology or whatever you want to call it. AHA is a very clever game: it attacks faithful churches, but then tries to define itself in a way that no one can respond. Is Independence Reformed Bible Church declaring churches outside which your folks are protesting (or whatever you want to call it) guilty of "abortion apathy"? If not, why not?
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Elizabeth Joy
Elizabeth Joy Our church is not entirely made up of abolitionists. There are those who attend who are either not yet familiar with the ideology, or becoming familiar.

There are also many in our church who have stood outside of child sacrifice centers, schools, universities, and events like WinterJam, and G3. I have stood outside of churches calling them to repent, as has my husband.

So yes, I'd say our elders are on board with the cry of "Church repent!" It is something ongoing in our own little assembly also. Church repent doesn't always include signs outside of churches, it can and is done in a variety of ways by a variety of abolitionists.

If you wonder what our elders think on this issue, I'd strongly urge you to contact them and speak with them, I know they'd be glad to discuss this with you.
Elizabeth Joy
Elizabeth Joy Also, Jason, I am not sure what word games you are referring to? I am being very open and honest with you, a complete stranger, because I wish to reason with you.

I am careful to say exactly what I mean, yes. But there are no "word games" here.
Jason Wallace
Jason Wallace If your church believes that other churches need to be publicly denounced as in sin, they should have the courage of their convictions and do it as a body, or they should correct you for doing it.
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Jason Wallace
Jason Wallace AHA sells t-shirts and plasters their logo across the Internet, but if any criticism is offered, it's only an ideology? That's a word game. Accusing churches of sin with signs outside their services is protesting, even if you want to call it basket-weaving.
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Elizabeth Joy
Elizabeth Joy I don't follow, Jason? Isn't the church made up of different parts? Does every single one need to be standing outside of churches with signs?
Elizabeth Joy
Elizabeth Joy Abolish human abortion doesn't sell t shirts. AHAgear does. They are a business, and not abolish human abortion.
Jason Wallace
Jason Wallace More games. . .
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Elizabeth Joy
Elizabeth Joy I am trying to be honest and open, Jason, not seeking to play games.

I think you misunderstand abolitionism, and I'd be glad to explain it to you.
Jason Wallace
Jason Wallace I understand your movement. Behind all the evasions, AHA is at war with the church. If you really believe in what you are doing, stop playing games, come out into the open, and accept criticism for it.
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Elizabeth Joy
Elizabeth Joy Jason, I don't understand what you object to? I have demonstrated that your accusations of abolitionists not being a part of the church are untrue.

I believe I have openly and honestly demonstrated this in the case of myself, and my brother in the photo.

So why do you keep up the accusations with his picture?
Elizabeth Joy
Elizabeth Joy I am out in the open. I have exposed my church, my elders, my family, and myself to your scrutiny. Yet you somehow still find them wanting. But under what grounds?

Do you find me to be in sin, Jason?
Jason Wallace
Jason Wallace You have not demonstrated anything wrong in what I said. I said "IF your family is not in in a visible church. . ." There are AHA activists/members/abolitionists who are outside any church and vocal about it. Yes, you are in sin by protesting churches (or whatever you want to call your activities with signs). You are accusing them of sin outside any court of the church. You are not following Matthew 18; you are acting as a pope, denouncing them without the benefit of any court to hear their defense. You've not taken this to your elders for them to bring the charge publicly as a body; you are acting as a schismatic. My hope is that the churches you have been protesting will charge you at your church and call on them to adjudicate the matter. My hope is that they will follow Matthew 18 and call you to repentance and work for the peace of Christ's church. My prayer is that you will also hear them.
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Toby Harmon
Toby Harmon Jason, repeating that Elizabeth is playing word games, when she is in fact not doing so, doesn't substantiate your repeated assertions. Now it may be because you're truly ignorant of understanding what ahagear is (a URL of Abortion Abolition Resources which is an LLC) and how it is not AHA. AHA is a symbol representing a set of ideas (an ideology), much like TULIP is an acronym representing a set of theological ideas. But it would be really ignorant or just plain dumb to say that Calvinism was an organization because there was a website URL that that had the word TULIP in it and sold shirts with Cavlins face on them.
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Toby Harmon
Toby Harmon But, what it wouldn't be is word games.
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Elizabeth Joy
Elizabeth Joy Jason, how do you know I haven't followed Matthew 18?
How do you know I am in sin simply because I stood outside of a church building and handed out literature?
Toby Harmon
Toby Harmon Jason, you've not demonstrated why any of your assertions should be taken seriously at all.
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Jason Wallace
Jason Wallace Toby Harmon A protest is a protest, even if you don't like the term. Stop trying to redefine it. AHA is organized enough to do a number of things in community, but it melts into an ideology whenever anyone criticizes something someone does in its name. That seems like a game. Either it is a substantive movement or its not. It sure seems like one to anyone on the outside.
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Jason Wallace
Jason Wallace Elizabeth Joy What court is hearing your charges of sin?
Elizabeth Joy
Elizabeth Joy You have set yourself up here, as judge and jury, it seems. :(
Jason Wallace
Jason Wallace Elizabeth Joy You're the one claiming that you can bring charges of sin outside any court of the church.
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Elizabeth Joy
Elizabeth Joy Calling brothers and sisters in Christ to love their neighbor and to obey Christ is no different than what some may say from a pulpit, or in a Sunday school class, or church conference, or a radio show, or while writing a book.

How is it that it becomes sin on the sidewalk?
Toby Harmon
Toby Harmon Jason Wallace it's a movement yes, in the sense that individuals are united together under Christ with a biblical understanding and set of ideas on how we ought to faithfully oppose child sacrifice. These individuals are members of the body and Bride of Christ and each of them assemble locally with other members of the body and Bride of Christ in different visible manifestations. These individuals are in constant communication with one another to organize efforts to wake up our sleeping culture (which includes the Christians in our culture) to repent of either the practice or toleration of child-sacrifice.) This reality does not make AHA an organization.
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Toby Harmon
Toby Harmon Jason, you are bringing charges right now, on Facebook, outside of any church court
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Elizabeth Joy
Elizabeth Joy And how is it you can call Abolitionists to repent... of calling the church to repent?

What makes your Facebook post legitimate, and our literature/signs, not legitimate?
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Toby Harmon
Toby Harmon Jason Wallace hypocrisy much sir?
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Toby Harmon
Toby Harmon It appears you do not meet your own extra-biblical standard sir.
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Jason Wallace
Jason Wallace Toby Harmon In terms of AHA, to whom do I bring charges? You say it's an ideology. As far as Elizabeth, she asked me if I thought she was in sin. I answered her question and laid out how it should be addressed.
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Toby Harmon
Toby Harmon I guess Jason thinks that the Little Caesars sign holder is protesting Little Caesars pizza?
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Jason Wallace
Jason Wallace Toby Harmon Please stop your insults. That is nothing like what I was saying.
Toby Harmon
Toby Harmon If you have charges against me, then tell me my sin. If I'm in sin and won't Repent, bring witnesses to confirm all the facts. If they are confirmed and I still won't Repent, bring it to other Christians who know me, bring it to local folks I meet with T T. Russell Hunter Josh Jon Malone Aaron Hoffman of those who aren't local but who hold me equally accountable Todd M Bullis Michael Graves Alan Maricle Michael Mike Gulley all men of God who I trust and who have my ear. All men who know Christ, understand His word, are filled with the Spirit and have proven themselves mature in the faith. Any of them can hold me accountable for sin. Any of them can mark me out as an unrepentant sinner and warn others to disfellowship from me.
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Jason Wallace
Jason Wallace I'm sick and tired of AHA folks accusing others of sin and hypocrisy, but then playing the victim whenever anyone responds. You started this, and as a faithful shepherd, I have responded.
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Toby Harmon
Toby Harmon Jason Wallace apparently you think holding signs outside a building necessarily equals protest.
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T. Russell Hunter
T. Russell Hunter Jason, what are your charges against Toby? I will hear them.
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Toby Harmon
Toby Harmon You're the only one being hypocritical here sir. Either meet your own standard or stop talking.
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Jason Wallace
Jason Wallace Toby Harmon When they accuse the church inside of SIN? Yes!
Elizabeth Joy
Elizabeth Joy Jason, no, sir, I beg to differ. You wrote the above status, accusing the brother in the picture, and other abolitionists of hating the church, and abandoning her.

This is not so, sir. I don't understand how you are "faithful" in calling us to repent, and yet we are in sin?
Jason Wallace
Jason Wallace Toby Harmon You ignore what I say and seek to twist it to your own purposes. You're being dishonest, and I've wasted enough time dealing with you.
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Toby Harmon
Toby Harmon If you don't think The Church is guilty while millions are murdered every year in the midst of 100,000s of bible believing and teaching local churches then I don't know what else to say to you sir
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Elizabeth Joy
Elizabeth Joy These brothers may also hear any accusations against me. They were present when I stood outside of a church building.
Toby Harmon
Toby Harmon Jason Wallace prove it, don't just assert it. That's all you've done in this entire thread.
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Jason Wallace
Jason Wallace Elizabeth Joy You're also twisting my words. I pointed out that his sign was a contradiction, and he was attacking the church he was protesting.
T. Russell Hunter
T. Russell Hunter What would it look like for an ideology to exist and be represented by a symbol and for the people who held to that ideology to use the symbol that represented it?
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Jason Wallace
Jason Wallace Toby Harmon I need to follow Titus 3:10 with you. It's clear that no proof will ever convince you. My hands are clean.
Toby Harmon
Toby Harmon Jason Wallace more assertions. "Attacking" "protesting." You haven't demonstrated at all how these descriptors are an accurate reflection of his actions.
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Toby Harmon
Toby Harmon Jason Wallace point to any proof you've given if anything you've said here.
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Elizabeth Joy
Elizabeth Joy He was standing outside of the G3 conference in this picture, seeking to exhort brothers and sisters to love rheir neighbor.

This is not a protest. It is what is commanded in scripture. Exhortation.
Jason Wallace
Jason Wallace Elizabeth Joy This is not exhortation. It is an accusation of sin to which no court is offered for defense.
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Toby Harmon
Toby Harmon Jason Wallace what court are you accusing us before here?
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Jason Wallace
Jason Wallace Toby Harmon To what court can you bring an "Ideology"? You can't have it both ways.
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Elizabeth Joy
Elizabeth Joy Jason, there has been a consistent distinction in this thread between "ideology" and "abolitionists."

I assume, this is something not beyond your understanding.

You can, and have accused this abolitionist.
Why wiggle out now, sir?
Now you are playing word games.
Toby Harmon
Toby Harmon Jason Wallace you are accusing, according to your false presupposition "AHA The Organization" before a fb court (which you wouldn't find acceptable as any kind of court I'm guessing), so I am arguing according to your presuppositions. You can bring the ideology to the court of Scripture and measure those ideas against it and hold fast to that which is good. You can bring individual Abolitionists to a court of their peers.
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Tim Bushong
Tim Bushong "I'm sick and tired of AHA folks accusing others of sin and hypocrisy, but then playing the victim whenever anyone responds."

Jason Wallace -- That is exactly what they have been doing, and it's a childish and immature attempt to evade the reasons why what they do is schismatic. Excellent, brother.
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Tim Bushong
Tim Bushong Toby Harmon No, you don't. I just read through this entire conversation, and the fallacies coming from your end are demonstrably and truly fallacious. It really is (as brother Jason Wallace said waaaaay up there) "word games."

Stop pretending to be an Elijah or a Jeremiah. Methodology doesn't equal intent or result.
Kaylene Rass
Kaylene Rass Wow, Toby Harmon, Nice try at twisting Jason's words. Is this thread another example of AHA's tactics?
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