I joined with some other members of the local abolitionist society to go put up pro-life posters around town Saturday. 4 people were seen a few hours later walking around, tearing them down. Some of our people followed them and took pictures of them doing so, for future reference, which I thought was a great (and funny) idea. I was then told one of the names of these "Choice Crusaders" (the name they picked for themselves) and decided to PM him on Facebook. The following conversation ensued:
Just wanted to drop you a line about yesterday. You sure showed us! Who knew that suppressing other voices was the best way toward a better society?
awww arent you just precious! Its funny how you talk about suppressing the voices of others, when you guys cant even take the time to listen to the women who experience the pains of pregnancy.
I hope we showed you that its not right to deface the town with bullshit propaganda, and Dont worry we plan to keep collecting your posters, and will show you what we have done with them in a couples weeks, it will be most epic.
You don't know me. May I ask how you know that we don't take the time to listen to women who experience the pains of pregnancy? May I also ask what that phrase means?
Also, in what way do you think you showed us that it's not right to do what we did?
Finally, when you said "it will be most epic", it gives me the impression that you don't really take this issue seriously. We happen to think it's an issue of life and death, and that pregnancy and children are a big, and serious, issue and deal. Can you give me some assurance that you have miscommunicated your intentions?
No I dont know you at all, I do know that your a weird asshole who likes to take pics of me, and my girls. THis is quite suspicious. You dont know what pregnancy is like and you never will. Nothing was miscommunicated on my part, and this is a serious issue, not about life however but about men wanting to control the lives of women. Abortion is defined as the intentional termination of a pregnancy, nothing more nothing less. I would also like to say that I am not Pro-Abortion Im Pro-Choice, Pro-Education, and Pro-Women. You know we may not have this large number of aborted "babies" if your groups supported education and condom usage which could certainly reduce the number of alleged "murders" However many members of the anti choice groups are against condom usages because I gues they encourage sex or whatever which is totally wrong in the eyes of the christian god and that they also spread STDs, so I can also conclude that my Mom being an HIV Educator is just wasting her time.... abstinence is the only way......Wow I could go on and on, but I do feel conversation with your group is a waste of my time, and I have homework.
I hope you have a BLESSED evening.
Actually, I didn't take any pics; I wasn't there. But to be fair I thought it was a great idea. It's not that we took pictures of YOU; we took pictures of pro-baby-murder zealots who were suppressing freedom of expression. That those zealots happened to include you is a poor reflection your character, actually, but don't blame us for that, please.
Funny you should say that about pregnancy - you don't know what it's like either, nor will you ever. The other irony is that you don't know what it's like to be forcefully dismembered, and probably never will, but you're more than happy (apparently) to support that practice happening all over.
Your smokescreen about pro-choice, education, etc, is hollow b/c removing our information from the public view is actually counter-choice and counter-education. I think if you would think it through objectively, you would realise that.
Again, how do you know we don't support education and condom usage? Would you mind, if you're ignorant of our position, ASKING what it is instead of assuming, please?
Well, it's too bad that you think convo with our group is a waste of time, since you haven't yet made one substantive comment that had any useful argumentation in support of either your position or if your actions ripping down our signs. I keep hoping for that kind of interaction from the pro-baby-murder side of things, and I am consistently disappointed. I guess I should've expected as much from a zealot who claims to be pro-education and yet suppresses dissenting voices, not through reasoned debate, but through sheer force.
I know that you guys dont support condom usage because I met so many of the ambassadors at the JFA protest who argued with me about them! Also you dont know that I couldn't have a baby, How do you not know that Im transgendered I still have ovaries and can definitely know what it feels like? Pro Baby Murder Zealots? Wow....that made me giggle, Life doesn't begin til first breath dude. It may be a piece of human tissue, but so is the dead skin on my arm.
I would like this message from me to be the last, because....frankly its ridiculous that were even arguing over this, abortion has been settled in Roe V. Wade....I can have one whenever, so trying to advocate the reversal of this is pointless, it wont happen.
Good night and Good Bye
Oh, I see. Well, we're not identical to JFA. I don't care much about the condom thing; maybe you should be talking to some Roman Catholics about it?
I think I'm pretty safe in assuming that you don't have, nor could have, a baby.
1) There are only a few thousand transgendered in the WORLD.
2) Out of those, fewer can grow facial hair like I see you have. You also don't look much like a girl.
3) I wonder how many people have had a baby and only then had a sex change?
I mean, this could go on and on. Spare me. You're a guy, you said something ill-advised. Retract it, and let's move on.
Yes, you're a zealot. It should tell you something that you were among only 4 other people who were going around suppressing free expression of ideas in your community, and you just told me you had to go because you had homework to do, so obviously you put a high priority on suppression of ideas that make you uncomfortable. That's a hallmark of fundamentalist, bigoted zealotry.
Now, you said that life does not begin until the first breath. That's actually getting to the heart of the issue, for which I commend you. I'd like to ask how you know that. Not "think" it. KNOW it. If you don't KNOW it, then it's the exact equivalent of, while out hunting or something, seeing bushes rustle 100 yds away and emptying your rifle magazine into the bushes. Hey, you don't know, it might be a deer. Thing is, it also might be another hunter. You pro-baby-murder types prefer to shoot first and ask questions later. We pro-lifers prefer it the other way around.
Who gets to define when life begins?
I just got a reply from JD.
Your just hilarious =)
Abolish Human Ignorance.
"Your" and then "Ignorance"... I'm speechless.