Showing posts with label Dr Michael Brown. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Dr Michael Brown. Show all posts

Tuesday, May 24, 2016

Major Charismatic Denomination Biffs It On LGBTQXYZ and Communion

*Editorial Note: Pulpit & Pen continues in unrepentant sin and enabling of the ongoing sin of Jordan Hall. While it is my understanding that P&P does not plan to take down the content I contributed, any role I can play in reducing their traffic until they repent, I will. Thus I migrate this article here. 

If we can give some segments of the charismatic Christianoid world credit for anything, it’s their history of standing firm against the acceptance of the invasion of a militant homosexuality in our culture and the church. Dr. Michael Brown, a well-known figurehead of the charismatic movement, and popular author and writer at CharismaMag, has been very outspoken about this issue. Brown debated self-described “gay Christian” Matthew Vines, one of the leading false teachers of “gay Christian” theology, in which he stated:
When Moses wrote that it is an abomination for a man to have sex with another man, he didn’t add, “unless they’re committed to each other long term.”
Brown was a major leader in the Brownsville Revival, a counterfeit revival within the Assemblies of God. However, another major denomination, Vineyard USA, who broke away from the Calvary Chapel in the 80’s, has taken a very interesting position on sodomites in the Church. In a position paper, titled Pastoring LGBT Persons, put out by the denomination states the following regarding Communion:
Paul’s exhortation to the Vineyard today would be to discern the body, and to make sure to include everyone Christ includes. This means that drug addicts and alcoholics that haven’t kicked the habit, gays and lesbians that haven’t left the lifestyle, and divorced adulterers that are still with their mistresses are all welcome at the table if they sincerely desire to turn toward Jesus and place their lives under the faucet of God’s grace. What better place is there to go for someone trapped in sin and deceived by its sickness than the table of our Lord?
I don’t know about you, but I can think of a better place to go for someone like that – flat on one’s face in humble repentance at the foot of the cross.

This document, thus titled, was ostensibly intended to teach how to pastor people who choose to self-identify by their preferred sex partner(s) (rather than, say, as a follower of Jesus Christ). Already we have a problem – Vineyard USA is implicitly granting one of the premises of the gay agenda. Since the gay agenda has experienced such success in our culture as to make it common parlance, however, we shouldn’t make too much of this, though it represents a missed opportunity. There are bigger fish to fry, though.

Vineyard USA plays with fire as they explicitly endorse open communion, meaning that non-members can partake of the Lord’s Table whenever everyone has taken a break from
experiencing anointed worshiprolling around on the floor, making animal noises, and laughing uncontrollably. The Lord takes abuses of the Lord’s Table celebration pretty seriously, given His words in 1 Corinthians 11, but this position paper barely scratches the surface in giving proper warnings. Following a quote from John Wesley, the paper states:
The only fitness required is “…a sense of our utter sinfulness.” No other moral qualification is demanded before receiving communion.
This is errant Lord’s Table theology, but it points to something more fundamental and damnably dangerous. This is a paper about how to pastor LGBTQXYZ people, in a segment designed to teach how to handle communion with such folks. We must ask: How would the leadership of the church know that so-and-so is gay and living the gay lifestyle? The only way to know would be that the person has made it known, right? If the leadership were unaware, then this section (and indeed, the whole paper) is unnecessary and inapplicable. If they don’t know, then they just allow anyone to approach the Table (and let his blood be on his own head) and that’s that. But we are talking about whether known gay people can approach the Table.

Let’s grant hypothetically that God does not in fact bring down special wrath on those who take the Table and yet are in knowing and deliberate sin. When you know that someone is living in blatant rejection of the Word of God (for example, by living the gay lifestyle and identifying as such) but they want to come and take the Table anyway, that’s the problem – you are letting them pretend to be Christians, reconciled to God, in a very real and obvious way, when in fact they stand under His wrath and are not reconciled to God. You’re aiding and abetting their self-deception. Where is the call to repentance? Where is the sharing of the Gospel? How will they know they can be set free from this slavery, this captivity? The Lord’s Table is a spiritual reality that creates unity among the Body of Christ, and all Vineyard requires is a sense that one is a sinner? How about a hatred for sin that is an infallible product of the new birth?
Let me try to have some compassion here – I don’t want to pretend that it would necessarily be emotionally easy for a same-sex couple to break up. They have a twisted definition of love, yes, but their affections they have mistaken for love can doubtless be a strong emotional bond (though based on lies). The emotional angst produced in such a way would qualify as a trial and tribulation. What someone in a true biblical oversight role should do in this case would be to remind the person that such difficulties are meant to create perseverance and endurance: James 1:2-4, Romans 5:3-5. It’s meant to make them like Jesus and indeed serve as evidence of their salvation: Romans 6:11-18, 1 Peter 2:16, 2 Peter 1:10.

Also, while it may be emotionally trying to break up with one’s partner (whether a partner in same-sex or in heterosexual immorality), it’s not actually that hard. It’s unambiguous – move out. Call them to repent as you have done. If they won’t repent and are a temptation, stop seeing them. Block them on phone, Facebook, etc if necessary. This is a one-time event that is then perpetuated by staying away from that person.

But this paper gives no mention of how to actually shepherd these folks, but rather it jumps straight into a discussion of Lord’s Table theology without getting into the real nitty-gritty. Glaring and obvious matters which were definitely visible in this culture of death by 2014 are conspicuous by their absence. What does repentance look like? How can the person kill their sin consistently? How should they self-identify to other people, since calling oneself by one’s sinful propensities is inappropriate and unbiblical? Must they stop going to bars, being promiscuous, having gay sex, etc? What if they have been living together and they need to find other living quarters because they want to start actively hating their sin? What about transgender stuff? What about transvestism? What about same-sex couples that have adopted children?
That sort of content would be really helpful for the folks who call themselves LTBQXYZ. It’s a shame that a so-called “position paper” mostly serves to lead astray on such an important matter, when they expend so much energy on making sure they have big fancy sound systems and stages so their “anointed” heroes can attract thousands to hear gibberish they mutter into the microphones without an interpreter present.

Monday, January 13, 2014

Talking to a weird, weird defender of Dr Michael Brown

This certainly goes from bad to worse.
I'm bitterly disappointed, for the record, that I can't in good conscience call myself part of "worldwide Calvinist leadership". God grant that someday I could get there.
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That's a joke. I was kidding.

Anyway, it turns out that after I posted my last comment, Matt Baroni deleted the thread. Pray for him.



Matt El Dominicano Baroni But look how the Calvinists have ignored the sins in their corner, never renouncing them, but only providing a defense when ignorance proves unfashionable. As far as history is concerned, the leadership of this denomination has never apologized for their racism, segregation, antisemitism (e.g., Brown's "Our Hands Are Stained With Blood"), and other such evils.
  • Mark Phillips Mike, here is the best TULIP Vaccine I know of; do get a copy, and encourage others to do likewise: http://www.amazon.com/Gods.../dp/B00GSAEDM2/ref=cm_cr-mr-img
  • Rho Logy \\But look how the Calvinists have ignored the sins in their corner, never renouncing them, but only providing a defense when ignorance proves unfashionable. \\

    I am a Calvinist, and I will happily renounce the sins in "my" corner! HAPPILY.


    Mark Driscoll needs to repent of his pornovisions and his plagiarism.
    John MacArthur needs to repent of his misrepresentations of charismatics during the SF conference (such as "where are the charismatic hospitals?") and his apathy about abortion.
    Sam Storms needs to repent of many of the same things of which Dr Brown needs to repent.

    What other things did you have in mind? I'm serious.

    It is a logical fallacy, and unholy behavior, to defend against justified calls to repentance with "well, YOU'RE doing wrong too!" You should repent of that, Matt Baroni.
  • Rho Logy Mark Phillips, does that book promote Open Theism? It says it profoundly influenced Greg Boyd. That ought to worry you.


Thursday, January 09, 2014

Benny Hinn oughta send them a check

Shrug, I don't know. Maybe he already does.


Justin Peters shooting blanks.
"Ignorance Is Not an Option" -- Guest Post by Justin Peters

One of the common criticisms of the Strange Fire conference held this past October was that the speakers (this writer included) painted all charismatic Christians with the same broad brush by lumping them in with the extremes of the Word-Faith/N.A.R./Dominion movement. Charismatic theologian, author, and radio host Dr. Michael Brown on the eve of the conference posted an open letter to Dr. John MacArthur stating that he “attributes the extreme errors of a tiny minority to countless hundreds of thousands of godly leaders worldwide.”

From this statement it is apparent that Brown does indeed recognize that there are “extreme errors” in the charismatic movement. Not to worry, however, because those who propagate such error constitute only a “tiny minority” of the mighty charismatic army.... Read More: http://www.gty.org/Blog/B140108

Rho Logy "If he did indeed read the book which was released in late October 2013, then from it alone he would have had more than enough information to be well informed before his taping with Hinn on January 2, 2014."

That is no blank. It's a direct hit.
 

Friday, January 03, 2014

Question for Michael Brown

I have another question for Dr Michael Brown, who, though he endorses the continuation of spectacular gifts, appears not to be a fan of the discernment one:

Dr Brown, since you're fine with lending your credibility to men who are clearly and obviously heretical false teachers who are in the religious business for their own material gain, and when called on it willing to defend your actions with an appeal to ignorance about their teachings, when are you going to be inviting Vissarion on your show to talk about evangelism in Russia, the fall of the USSR, living for God while in a harsh environment, and what he thinks of Israel?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Torop

Friday, October 18, 2013

In which I hasten to add

Frank Turk was (for the first time in a while) pretty close to 100% right in an article. Dr Michael Brown asks a question:
A question for all my cessationist friends: You constantly ask why I don't rebuke charismatic abuses (actually, I do), but I have not heard you rebuke the horrific writings of Martin Luther (against the Jews and others). Why not? What he wrote was far worse than a prosperity gospel.
First of all, "far worse" is a judgment call which I don't necessarily grant. Yes, it's horrible to say what Luther said when he was old and crotchety about the Jews. The Word of Faith heresy leads scads of people straight to Hell, more than there were Jews in the world at Luther's time.

Anyway, what is at issue for me is not so much that we don't hear very many denunciations coming from, say, the leadership of the Assemblies of God or Michael Brown's own organisation or Charisma Magazine of the many horrible things that Word of Faith-ers do and say. That's bad enough.

What concerns me most is that when they are directly asked about it, they still hem and haw. Look at the way Dr Brown acted a few days ago. Read my Twitter feed from recent days. I've asked probably a dozen charismatic Tweeters who were interacting on #strangefire feed to denounce Creflo Dollar and TD Jakes. Only one did so.


I'm happy to set myself apart from the actions of many, many charismatics in this arena.

Rhology, do you denounce the horrific writings of Martin Luther against the Jews and others?

Yes.

That was easy. Your turn.

Wednesday, October 16, 2013

Dr Michael Brown must've been really bored yesterday

Because he engaged in a lengthy Twitter exchange with yours truly. I appreciate the brother's time and his ministry in general in many respects. I have seen enough to doubt his objectivity about the matters we discussed and his discernment about all things charismatic and Word of Faith.


















I can't help but comment on the way Dr Brown has gone about this. Perhaps he is so focused on one aspect of the Strange Fire-flavored criticism of charismaticism in the world today that he has entirely missed another extremely important aspect. Yet in his radio show yesterday, he found plenty of time to rebut John MacArthur's claim that Word of Faith theology has widely invaded charismatic circles, expressing incredulity at such a thing.


Two things are quite telling here:

1) Dr Brown has been "in the movement for 42 years" and he is unaware of the massive evidence weighing against Creflo Dollar's doctrinal orthodoxy and against the idea that he is even regenerate, given his money-grubbing and his abusive behavior? Dr Brown has only read a few lines from this man? Dollar is one of the foremost tongues-talking men in the entire world. Certainly he's better known than Dr Brown is (which is, I hasten to add, a tragedy and a shame). Word of Faith and charismaticism have been hand in hand in many, many respects for decades now. I saw plenty of that when I was in my teens and early twenties, in the late 90s and early noughts. How has it escaped Dr Brown's notice?

Given that he addressed the issue directly on his show yesterday, he can't be unaware of the criticism. He is treading ever so close to negligence here. If he wants to be a spokesman for the defense of the spectacular sign gifts over and against Strange Fire types, and he doesn't even know why people call men like Creflo Dollar gross heretics, what does that say about his willingness to be thorough and fair in this area?


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Spend eternity with Kenneth Hagin? The one who thought Jesus was the first person to be born again? The same one who had pornographic visions? Who thinks God operates on faith? Will we be doing this together?

This is precisely what I was getting at in my tweets directed toward Dr Brown. He can warn us all he wants about those who condemn the godly along with heretics (which begs the question in his favor). What of those who negligently allow wolves into the flock?

On another note, his expressions of incredulity certainly seem strange to me, I must say. Dr Brown acts as if he doesn't know what I'm talking about.



















I am glad to hear Dr Brown doesn't remember seeing such abused and twisted "manifestations" of the Holy Spirit during his time. I do find it highly implausible that he could be in the movement 42 years full time and he didn't see anything like that, whereas I saw plenty like that in only 6 years as a part-timer. Was he just slain in the Spirit all those times? Was he flailing around on the floor?


Let's just say I've seen enough from Dr Brown to give me plenty of misgivings about his objectivity and the quality of his discernment in this matter.