Thursday, March 15, 2007

So disingenuous but so funny!

Saw this here while reading thru the other interactions with it here and here.
The logical problems w/ it are manifold (including, but not limited to, the fact that even if the Roman Catholic Magisterium is infallible, you the private individual still have to interpret the maze of Canon law and Church decrees and encyclicals, and you are very fallible) but the picture is really funny. Click on it and it'll take you to the one of the original posts in the conversation.


Pertinacious Papist said...
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Kyle said...

Mr. P. Papist,

Greetings from one of Alan's fellow churchmen.

I am a bit confused by your post. I don't see how it is possible for you to consider Alan as a brother if he denies the heart of the Roman Catholic faith. He denies the infallibility of the Pope and Magisterium and the distinctive doctrines they have defined.

The salvation defined by the RCC requires submission to the Pope and the application of the sacraments by the Church. How can a protestant who denies these things be considered a brother unless the term just means neighbor and a 'brother' might end up in hell?

There seems to be 3 logical possibilities:
1) The RCC is right.
2) Some form of protestantism is right.
3) They are both wrong.

1) & 2) cannot both be true.

The only way to know is to study the two authority sources availabe by which to judge (Bible & Magisterium + Bible). However, when one does this they use private interpretation which Alan pointed out is fallible.

I cannot see how the Catholic who claims an additional infallible authority is required to interpret the word of God can escape having to say that God did not speak clearly enough the first time. Can the Church + the Holy Spirit speak more clearly than the NT writers + the Holy Spirit? There is a demeaning of the Word of God that happens implicitly when this is done and I think it speaks of the spiritual condition of those who accept such a view. I pray you will see this.


Turi said...

That is awesome, and one of the prime difficulties with the Puritans: they've wonderful theology, but where's the sense of play?

But as far as Augustine goes, I dunno if you really want to call him a Catholic - I daresay he'd repudiate a good many of your notions. Like Pelagianism...

Frank Walton said...

How nifty. Perhaps, I can have a pop up for Protestants.

Rhology said...

Hi Mr. Papist,

Thanks for stopping by. Yes, I do like your error message graphic - it's hilarious.
I don't know about "brother and sister," though - you are a Roman Catholic, and I seem to remember a couple documents in your history relating to Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus (Unam Sanctam) and a few dozen key anathemas in the Council of Trent, which is still in service in your church. Combine that w/ the fact that I'm not too keen on calling you a brother b/c of, among other things, your propensity to talking to dead people and to believing that you can earn part of your salvation, and I'll just say thanks for coming and for the graphic, but let's not get all frothy-excited about our "brotherhood".


Turi said...

Wow, welcoming ain't we? There's Southern hospitality for you... Of course, I am a Yankee by birth and a Terrone by blood, so I can do whatever I want. But I expect more you from you Okies...

Rhology said...

Well, you know what they say about hospitality in 2 John...