I doubt he called his TIMING "gangrene".
-Funny that Paul rebuked Hymenaeus for his timing, not for what he taught.
-It is interesting that Paul never corrected Hymenaeus on his teaching of HOW the New Kingdom would come.3-4 sentences in the NT deal w/ him. Let's look elsewhere. You can start w/ all the psgs I've already cited.
-Any Christian then could look around and see that nothing really changed, but they didn't call him out on THAT -- just the timing. Paul also knew that the New Kingdom would come spiritually, not physically.That's an interesting thing to say. Let me ask you sthg.
1 Cor 15:50-52 says we will all be changed. In 70 AD, what happened to the Corinthian church? How were they changed?
-Christ Himself said it would not be visible.Where?
-As to 2 Peter 3, I think we can agree that the 1000 years/1 day comes from Psalm 90, correct?Oh, perhaps.
You know, if you're going to get snarky about the interp of what 1000 yrs means, how do you justify transmogrifying it into less than 40 years?
-They're not saying that "at hand" or "quickly" means thousands of years, at all.An assertion that fails to take the context into acct. The context is people like you, the scoffers, who say "Where is the promise of His coming?"
You know, in 2000 yrs they haven't stopped saying that.
-They're just showing God's patienceYou don't believe in God's patience b/c you find it unconscionable that God could wait more than a few decades to accomplish His grand plan.
-quickly means quickly.You mean like in Ezek 12:21-28?
I see "the days are near" in there, as well as "but in your days, O rebellious house...I will perform it" and particularly 27-28:
26And the word of the LORD came to me: 27"Son of man, behold, they of the house of Israel say, 'The vision that he sees is for many days from now, and he prophesies of times far off.' 28Therefore say to them, Thus says the Lord GOD: None of my words will be delayed any longer, but the word that I speak will be performed, declares the Lord GOD."
And yet the New Covenant, to which this refers, came about 400 years later!
Your insistence on timing being more important than WHAT THE THING IS is bunk. God is way bigger than you think He is.
-just as the unbelieving Jews of the 1st Century were,I believe that God's judgment fell on them in 70 AD. But that's not The Judgment, it's not The Resurrection, it's not The Parousia. How do I know? Tons of things the Bible tells us will happen then didn't.
-Romans 5:18 says that Christ's Return was for everyone, by the way. It doesn't save for believers alone.True, but His return will be judgment, fearful wrath for unbelievers.
-Romans 5, and I see no place where the curse of Adam would be lifted.I was referring to the dichotomy between Adam = Death/Condemnation and Christ = life/justification.
The Curse of Genesis 3 does have, after all, "and to dust you shall return." That's where death came in.
-I'm not sure where you read that mortal things won't decayExactly - it's your ludicrous position that made me bring it up. Things decay NOW. In the eternal Kingdom, they won't. Ergo, this is not the eternal Kingdom.
-It is obvious from the mess that the temples of organized religion are in that very few indeed do understand that the Kingdom is now, and the Ecclesia of God is within all to grasp. So many mortal lives wasted in judgment of others instead of loving others and serving others.Your theology is an absolute catastrophe.
-the nations would still exist. And they do.Why is that a problem for my position?
-Revelation was NOT about destroying this mortal earthIs 65:17
Rev 21:1 (Turi already brought this up - I am losing confidence in your reading comprehension and retention abilities)
2 Pet 3:10
It's hard to have a new earth w/o blowing up the 1st.
-We are given new spiritual and holy bodies, but our mortal bodies don't change.This assertion did not deal w/ the psgs I cited to the contrary. You need to interact w/ those.
-but the imperishable spiritual ones can, and do!But *CHRIST'S* body was not merely spiritual - check 1 John for that one.
Wow - a Hymenaean, a Gnostic, AND a Docetist. You're racking up the points, my friend.
-lying has nothing to do with Revelation.P1: It says liars will not enter in.
P2: I say Christ is raised PHYSICALLY as will we all, in the eternal Kingdom.
P3: You say we're already in the eternal Kingdom.
S: Therefore, I'm a liar and did not enter in.
Crude syllogism, but it demonstrates the incoherence of your position.
-Repent from what?Your sin.
And your prideful arrogance.
-I don't lie. I don't trick others in believing me. I use the very Book to show people God's Love for everyone, even the non-believer (but especially the believer). I give away all of my extra earnings to those who believe.
-I don't believe in 'churches' as even in the Book we don't see denominations or churchesYou are blind - >80% of references to 'ecclesia' in the NT are to local bodies of believers.
-For those who ignore it, they are not condemned.See my previous post on Hell.
-If you believe people are condemned, where do they go after mortal death?Hell.
-If you believe salvation is for today, who is saved?Those who are justified by God's grace through faith alone.
-Jesus said only the few would see the Kingdom in His timeframe, so how is it that 2.1 billion Christians would be "a few" (?)You forgot the context - He's contrasting "the many" w/ "the few". Few will find life in comparison w/ the many who go to destruction.
-Stop going to your congregationsHeb 10:23-25
There's another thing to repent of - exhorting others to disobey God.
-He prepared such a glorious and perfect Kingdom for us, here and nowThe sad thing is that you're settling for this earth, and you will settle - this is as close to Heaven as you're ever going to get, unless you repent.